Hi,<br/><br/>I seem to have sent it to Viswa alone. Resenting.<br/><br/>Pradeep <br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
Dear all,
To set right the facts straight, please let me explicitly state the following for the information of you all:
1. I have been using internet and e-mail systems since 1994-1995. Since then until now, *not even once*, I have used the freedom to send a mail to any person or lists in a way not disclosing my singular and true identity.
2. I have not sent any mails to this or any other lists as 'Zakas' or whatever names. Usually I send very few and only absolutely necessary mails to Wikimedia lists (except perhaps for ml-community). Even after becoming an EC member, I have always restrained to limit my mails as we have assigned specific EC members for public relations and communications. That is, I deem that shouldering the responsibility of an EC member, one is further constrained to write (even personal) mails to the lists as much as one would like to.
3. Abiding the standard code of conduct to its fullest meaning, I have not communicated, disclosed or discussed any such matters that should be dealt within or by the EC under the purview of its collective responsibility to any undue third parties. I have also not prompted anyone else either to act on his own or as a proxy to carry out any missions.
I must also state it clear and loud that, as a person, I have no monitory, social or political interests that conflict with my assumed responsibilities within the EC or chapter. In being or serving as a chapter member (or as its extended functionary), my sole aim is to upkeep the mission and motto of Wikipedia and to effectively utilize the opportunities and resources it allows and provides for the betterment of the community. Therefore, *I DO NOT NEED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CLANDESTINE OR UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES WHILE BEING AN EC MEMBER OR CHAPTER MEMBER!*
Please allow me to write these rather silly lines more on a list which I always consider serious and subject-worthy. My apologies for the same in advance.
Dear Pradeep,
Is just withdrawing an accusation of that degree enough?
I STRONGLY DEMAND AN OUTRIGHT APOLOGY FROM YOU, THROUGH THIS VERY MAILING LIST, as this could heavily damage my reputation and stature henceforth both at a personal capacity as well as a responsible member of the current WMIN EC.
I must also remind you that either your criminology and cyber-investigation lessons were quite bad, or your 'teachers' were quite unprepared. Or perhaps, you did not carry out your overnight homework exercises carefully.
It is quite funny how you could have arrived such laughable conclusions considering the following reasons:
1. Do I really call 'Moksh' as 'Moksha'? I don't think so. Did SOMEONE ELSE tell you so? Then, could it be that you were taken for a ride by those someone else?
2. Now, if someone else did not tell this (non-fact), how did you come to know of such a peculiar 'disorder' that I seem to have? Did we even talk to each other after a face-to-face (and very friendly) meet on 3rd of May 2012 (at Kerala Sahitya Academy compound, Thrissur)? Have we even ever spoke through phone or any other voice channels (or even mails)? Except for 3rd May 2012, Do I even know you personally? And then, did I even knew a person called 'Moksh' (or 'Moksha'), worthy of a subject of interest until the recent elections (or at the least, until I actually got involved with the chapter business last October)?
3. The next possibility is that I could have possibly written his name as 'Moksha' somewhere in a mail list or wiki page. Can you EVER SHOW ANY PAGE OR EVEN PRIVATE MAIL where I have used the term 'Moksha'?
So, having done a serious wrong, I demand you to immediately offer your apologies (to me as well as the list for having misled them,) right through this mailing list!
With the above statements and demand, I remain.
-Viswanathan Prabhakaran (User:Viswaprabha) Member, Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.comwrote:
Hi,
I seem to have sent it to Viswa alone. Resenting.
Pradeep
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
From: * Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com;
To: * viswaprabha@gmail.com viswaprabha@gmail.com;
Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns
Sent: * Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:44:01 AM
Hi Vishwa,
I am happy that this is now publicly recorded. I withdraw my accusation forthwith.
I would also like to step down from the position of the GLAM SIG chair forthwith. I am happy to help in GLAM related activities where ever needed. I think others will do more justice to this position as I have been able to.
In addition, I have found out now that my employee, State Bank of India, with which the Chapter maintains a bank account does not allow me to hold this position as a point of conflict of interest. I am not allowed to be on the Executive or head committees within a non profit which has a relationship with the Bank.
Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
- From: * ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswaprabha@gmail.com;
- To: * Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com; Wikimedia India Community
list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org;
- Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns
- Sent: * Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:12:21 AM
Did I read and understand that absolutely correctly!
If so, this is a huge accusal!
Please come to your senses before doing such horrendous accusations!
I would never (or am or will be planning) to send any mail messages to ANY public (or private) lists other than from my own proven identities!!! TAKE IT FOR GRANTED!
Indeed, your baseless and mean assumption calls for severe actions!
-Viswam User:Viswaprabha
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.comwrote:
hi,
this is with reference to this email - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-September/010415...., sent by "Zakaas Zakaas". the text of the email was scrubbed as HTML. The content of the text is here - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20130915/a... reproduced below:
" While the new ECs are still deciding the new office bearers, there are some observations which are of serious concern. It is known fact that Karthik(secratory) is employee of Moksha(president) and Pranav is employee/consultant to Moksha</p>
In the true spirit of wikipedia, where transparancy is atmost important, and conflict of interests are taken seriously, have these<br />people given any disclaimer about this information (employee, employer relationship) in advancIt will be nice to know the concern people stand regarding this matter.
It is interesting to note that while the author asks for transparency, he is not transparent himself. Let us assume that the alias is taken for the sake of revealing this "truth". Unfortunately, just using the alias is insufficient, in my opinion. One must also be able to mask one's partiality to the language one uses for the mask to be complete.
In this case, I can easily identify the author as Viswaprabha. He's the only person I know of who calls Moksh Moksha.
Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email? - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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Hi,<br/><br/>I would like to unconditionally apologise to User:Viswaprabha (Viswanathan Prabhakara) for the allegations that I have made on this mailing list. <br/><br/>Pradeep Mohandas<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
Hi, The EC has decided to have a conference call tomorrow night to discuss the matter. WE shall keep you updated on the same.
Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Sep 25, 2013 4:57 PM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" viswaprabha@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
To set right the facts straight, please let me explicitly state the following for the information of you all:
- I have been using internet and e-mail systems since 1994-1995. Since
then until now, *not even once*, I have used the freedom to send a mail to any person or lists in a way not disclosing my singular and true identity.
- I have not sent any mails to this or any other lists as 'Zakas' or
whatever names. Usually I send very few and only absolutely necessary mails to Wikimedia lists (except perhaps for ml-community). Even after becoming an EC member, I have always restrained to limit my mails as we have assigned specific EC members for public relations and communications. That is, I deem that shouldering the responsibility of an EC member, one is further constrained to write (even personal) mails to the lists as much as one would like to.
- Abiding the standard code of conduct to its fullest meaning, I have not
communicated, disclosed or discussed any such matters that should be dealt within or by the EC under the purview of its collective responsibility to any undue third parties. I have also not prompted anyone else either to act on his own or as a proxy to carry out any missions.
I must also state it clear and loud that, as a person, I have no monitory, social or political interests that conflict with my assumed responsibilities within the EC or chapter. In being or serving as a chapter member (or as its extended functionary), my sole aim is to upkeep the mission and motto of Wikipedia and to effectively utilize the opportunities and resources it allows and provides for the betterment of the community. Therefore, *I DO NOT NEED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CLANDESTINE OR UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES WHILE BEING AN EC MEMBER OR CHAPTER MEMBER!*
Please allow me to write these rather silly lines more on a list which I always consider serious and subject-worthy. My apologies for the same in advance.
Dear Pradeep,
Is just withdrawing an accusation of that degree enough?
I STRONGLY DEMAND AN OUTRIGHT APOLOGY FROM YOU, THROUGH THIS VERY MAILING LIST, as this could heavily damage my reputation and stature henceforth both at a personal capacity as well as a responsible member of the current WMIN EC.
I must also remind you that either your criminology and cyber-investigation lessons were quite bad, or your 'teachers' were quite unprepared. Or perhaps, you did not carry out your overnight homework exercises carefully.
It is quite funny how you could have arrived such laughable conclusions considering the following reasons:
- Do I really call 'Moksh' as 'Moksha'? I don't think so. Did SOMEONE
ELSE tell you so? Then, could it be that you were taken for a ride by those someone else?
- Now, if someone else did not tell this (non-fact), how did you come to
know of such a peculiar 'disorder' that I seem to have? Did we even talk to each other after a face-to-face (and very friendly) meet on 3rd of May 2012 (at Kerala Sahitya Academy compound, Thrissur)? Have we even ever spoke through phone or any other voice channels (or even mails)? Except for 3rd May 2012, Do I even know you personally? And then, did I even knew a person called 'Moksh' (or 'Moksha'), worthy of a subject of interest until the recent elections (or at the least, until I actually got involved with the chapter business last October)?
- The next possibility is that I could have possibly written his name as
'Moksha' somewhere in a mail list or wiki page. Can you EVER SHOW ANY PAGE OR EVEN PRIVATE MAIL where I have used the term 'Moksha'?
So, having done a serious wrong, I demand you to immediately offer your apologies (to me as well as the list for having misled them,) right through this mailing list!
With the above statements and demand, I remain.
-Viswanathan Prabhakaran (User:Viswaprabha) Member, Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.comwrote:
Hi,
I seem to have sent it to Viswa alone. Resenting.
Pradeep
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
From: * Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com;
To: * viswaprabha@gmail.com viswaprabha@gmail.com;
Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns
Sent: * Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:44:01 AM
Hi Vishwa,
I am happy that this is now publicly recorded. I withdraw my accusation forthwith.
I would also like to step down from the position of the GLAM SIG chair forthwith. I am happy to help in GLAM related activities where ever needed. I think others will do more justice to this position as I have been able to.
In addition, I have found out now that my employee, State Bank of India, with which the Chapter maintains a bank account does not allow me to hold this position as a point of conflict of interest. I am not allowed to be on the Executive or head committees within a non profit which has a relationship with the Bank.
Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
- From: * ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswaprabha@gmail.com;
- To: * Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com; Wikimedia India Community
list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org;
- Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns
- Sent: * Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:12:21 AM
Did I read and understand that absolutely correctly!
If so, this is a huge accusal!
Please come to your senses before doing such horrendous accusations!
I would never (or am or will be planning) to send any mail messages to ANY public (or private) lists other than from my own proven identities!!! TAKE IT FOR GRANTED!
Indeed, your baseless and mean assumption calls for severe actions!
-Viswam User:Viswaprabha
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.comwrote:
hi,
this is with reference to this email - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-September/010415...., sent by "Zakaas Zakaas". the text of the email was scrubbed as HTML. The content of the text is here - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20130915/a... reproduced below:
" While the new ECs are still deciding the new office bearers, there are some observations which are of serious concern. It is known fact that Karthik(secratory) is employee of Moksha(president) and Pranav is employee/consultant to Moksha</p>
In the true spirit of wikipedia, where transparancy is atmost important, and conflict of interests are taken seriously, have these<br />people given any disclaimer about this information (employee, employer relationship) in advancIt will be nice to know the concern people stand regarding this matter.
It is interesting to note that while the author asks for transparency, he is not transparent himself. Let us assume that the alias is taken for the sake of revealing this "truth". Unfortunately, just using the alias is insufficient, in my opinion. One must also be able to mask one's partiality to the language one uses for the mask to be complete.
In this case, I can easily identify the author as Viswaprabha. He's the only person I know of who calls Moksh Moksha.
Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email? - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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I did not expect such an open bitter fight between two reputed members of the chapter. I strongly request everyone to not engage in such altercations. There may be disagreements between two people, but we cannot pinpoint fingers openly. The mailing list is not a place for such accusations.The end result of all this will be that the image of the India Chapter will be tarnished on the International stage. So i humbly make an appeal to everyone to not repeat such an incident ever again.
Thanking you
Yohann Thomas Wikipedia Club Pune yohannvt@gmail.com
Just look what I stumbled across.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-09-18/News_a...
the extract from about India Chapter from the above link -
"Another application facing governance issues is the first application to be filed by Wikimedia India, seeking $200khttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Letter_of_intent. A community member publicly raised concernshttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-September/010415.htmlover alleged employment dependencies among sitting executive committee members, and the last chapter election in August saw procedural uncertainties, with one candidate withdrawinghttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-August/010283.htmlin protest."
I can conclude by saying that We should keep our differences aside and work towards the development of the Chapter & community.
Yohann
Can the moderator stop the thread.. having such a public negotiation is not good.
________________________________ From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in To: India public list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FW: Re: Few concerns
Hi, The EC has decided to have a conference call tomorrow night to discuss the matter. WE shall keep you updated on the same. Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Sep 25, 2013 4:57 PM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" viswaprabha@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
To set right the facts straight, please let me explicitly state the following for the information of you all:
I have been using internet and e-mail systems since 1994-1995. Since then until now, not even once, I have used the freedom to send a mail to any person or lists in a way not disclosing my singular and true identity.
- I
have not sent any mails to this or any other lists as 'Zakas' or whatever names. Usually I send very few and only absolutely necessary mails to Wikimedia lists (except perhaps for ml-community). Even after becoming an EC member, I have always restrained to limit my mails as we have assigned specific EC members for public relations and communications. That is, I deem that shouldering the responsibility of an EC member, one is further constrained to write (even personal) mails to the lists as much as one would like to.
- Abiding the standard code of
conduct to its fullest meaning, I have not communicated, disclosed or discussed any such matters that should be dealt within or by the EC under the purview of its collective responsibility to any undue third parties. I have also not prompted anyone else either to act on his own or as a proxy to carry out any missions.
I must also state it clear and loud that,
as a person, I have no monitory, social or political interests that conflict with my assumed responsibilities within the EC or chapter. In being or serving as a chapter member (or as its extended functionary), my sole aim is to upkeep the mission and motto of Wikipedia and to effectively utilize the opportunities and resources it allows and provides for the betterment of the community. Therefore, I DO NOT NEED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CLANDESTINE OR UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES WHILE BEING AN EC MEMBER OR CHAPTER MEMBER!
Please allow me to write these rather silly lines more on a list which I always consider serious and subject-worthy. My apologies for the same in advance.
Dear Pradeep,
Is just withdrawing an accusation of that degree enough?
I STRONGLY DEMAND AN OUTRIGHT APOLOGY FROM YOU, THROUGH THIS VERY MAILING LIST, as this could heavily damage my reputation and stature henceforth both at a personal capacity as well as a responsible member of the
current WMIN EC.
I must also remind you that either your
criminology and cyber-investigation lessons were quite bad, or your 'teachers' were quite unprepared. Or perhaps, you did not carry out your overnight homework exercises carefully.
It is quite funny how you could have arrived such laughable conclusions considering the following reasons:
Do I really call 'Moksh' as 'Moksha'? I don't think so. Did SOMEONE ELSE tell you so? Then, could it be that you were taken for a ride by those someone else?
Now, if someone else did not tell this (non-fact), how did you come to
know of such a peculiar 'disorder' that I seem to have? Did we even talk to each other after a face-to-face (and very friendly) meet on 3rd of May 2012 (at Kerala Sahitya Academy compound, Thrissur)? Have we even ever spoke through phone or any other voice channels (or even mails)? Except for 3rd May 2012, Do I even know you personally? And then, did I even knew a person called 'Moksh' (or 'Moksha'), worthy of a subject of interest until the recent elections (or at the least, until I actually got involved with the chapter business last October)?
- The next possibility is that I could have possibly written his name as 'Moksha' somewhere in a mail list or wiki page. Can you EVER SHOW ANY PAGE OR EVEN PRIVATE MAIL where I have used the term 'Moksha'?
So, having done a serious wrong, I demand you to immediately offer your
apologies (to me as well as the list for having misled them,) right through this mailing list!
With the above statements and demand, I remain.
-Viswanathan Prabhakaran
(User:Viswaprabha)
Member,
Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi,
I seem to have sent it to Viswa alone. Resenting.
Pradeep
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
From: Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com; To: viswaprabha@gmail.com viswaprabha@gmail.com;
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:44:01 AM
Hi Vishwa,
I am happy that this is now publicly recorded. I withdraw my accusation forthwith.
I would also like to step down from the position of the GLAM SIG chair forthwith. I am happy to help in GLAM related activities where ever needed. I think others will do more justice to this position as I have been able to.
In addition, I have found out now that my employee, State Bank of India, with which the Chapter maintains a bank account does not allow me to hold this position as a point of conflict of interest. I am not allowed to be on the Executive or head committees within a non profit which has a relationship with the Bank.
Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
From: ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswaprabha@gmail.com; To: Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com; Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:12:21 AM
Did I read and understand that absolutely correctly!
If so, this is a huge accusal!
Please come to your senses before doing such horrendous accusations!
I would never (or am or will be planning) to send any mail messages to ANY public (or private) lists other than from my own proven identities!!! TAKE IT FOR GRANTED!
Indeed, your baseless and mean assumption calls for severe actions!
-Viswam User:Viswaprabha
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Pradeep Mohandas prad2609@yahoo.com wrote:
hi,
this is with reference to this email - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-September/010415...., sent by "Zakaas Zakaas". the text of the email was scrubbed as HTML. The content of the text is here - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20130915/a... below:
"While the new ECs are still deciding the new office bearers, there are some observations which are of serious concern. It is known fact that Karthik(secratory) is employee of Moksha(president) and Pranav is employee/consultant to Moksha</p>In the true spirit of wikipedia, where transparancy is atmost important, and conflict of interests are taken seriously, have these<br />people given any disclaimer about this information (employee, employer relationship) in advancIt will be nice to know the concern people stand regarding this matter. It is interesting to note that while the author asks for transparency, he is not transparent himself. Let us assume that the alias is taken for the sake of revealing this "truth". Unfortunately, just using the alias is insufficient, in my opinion. One must also be able to mask one's partiality to the language one uses for the mask to be complete.
In this case, I can easily identify the author as Viswaprabha. He's the only person I know of who calls Moksh Moksha.
Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email? - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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On Wednesday 25 September 2013 11:45 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi wrote:
Can the moderator stop the thread.. having such a public negotiation is not good.
Why? every community member has the right to clear their doubts.
*From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.ramk@wikimedia.in *To:* India public list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 September 2013 6:15 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FW: Re: Few concerns
Hi, The EC has decided to have a conference call tomorrow night to discuss the matter. WE shall keep you updated on the same. Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Sep 25, 2013 4:57 PM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" <viswaprabha@gmail.com mailto:viswaprabha@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all, To set right the facts straight, please let me explicitly state the following for the information of you all: 1. I have been using internet and e-mail systems since 1994-1995. Since then until now, *not even once*, I have used the freedom to send a mail to any person or lists in a way not disclosing my singular and true identity. 2. I have not sent any mails to this or any other lists as 'Zakas' or whatever names. Usually I send very few and only absolutely necessary mails to Wikimedia lists (except perhaps for ml-community). Even after becoming an EC member, I have always restrained to limit my mails as we have assigned specific EC members for public relations and communications. That is, I deem that shouldering the responsibility of an EC member, one is further constrained to write (even personal) mails to the lists as much as one would like to. 3. Abiding the standard code of conduct to its fullest meaning, I have not communicated, disclosed or discussed any such matters that should be dealt within or by the EC under the purview of its collective responsibility to any undue third parties. I have also not prompted anyone else either to act on his own or as a proxy to carry out any missions. I must also state it clear and loud that, as a person, I have no monitory, social or political interests that conflict with my assumed responsibilities within the EC or chapter. In being or serving as a chapter member (or as its extended functionary), my sole aim is to upkeep the mission and motto of Wikipedia and to effectively utilize the opportunities and resources it allows and provides for the betterment of the community. Therefore, _I DO NOT NEED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CLANDESTINE OR UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES WHILE BEING AN EC MEMBER OR CHAPTER MEMBER!_ Please allow me to write these rather silly lines more on a list which I always consider serious and subject-worthy. My apologies for the same in advance. Dear Pradeep, Is just withdrawing an accusation of that degree enough? I STRONGLY DEMAND AN OUTRIGHT APOLOGY FROM YOU, THROUGH THIS VERY MAILING LIST, as this could heavily damage my reputation and stature henceforth both at a personal capacity as well as a responsible member of the current WMIN EC. I must also remind you that either your criminology and cyber-investigation lessons were quite bad, or your 'teachers' were quite unprepared. Or perhaps, you did not carry out your overnight homework exercises carefully. It is quite funny how you could have arrived such laughable conclusions considering the following reasons: 1. Do I really call 'Moksh' as 'Moksha'? I don't think so. Did SOMEONE ELSE tell you so? Then, could it be that you were taken for a ride by those someone else? 2. Now, if someone else did not tell this (non-fact), how did you come to know of such a peculiar 'disorder' that I seem to have? Did we even talk to each other after a face-to-face (and very friendly) meet on 3rd of May 2012 (at Kerala Sahitya Academy compound, Thrissur)? Have we even ever spoke through phone or any other voice channels (or even mails)? Except for 3rd May 2012, Do I even know you personally? And then, did I even knew a person called 'Moksh' (or 'Moksha'), worthy of a subject of interest until the recent elections (or at the least, until I actually got involved with the chapter business last October)? 3. The next possibility is that I could have possibly written his name as 'Moksha' somewhere in a mail list or wiki page. Can you EVER SHOW ANY PAGE OR EVEN PRIVATE MAIL where I have used the term 'Moksha'? So, having done a serious wrong, I demand you to immediately offer your apologies (to me as well as the list for having misled them,) right through this mailing list! With the above statements and demand, I remain. -Viswanathan Prabhakaran (User:Viswaprabha) Member, Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <prad2609@yahoo.com <mailto:prad2609@yahoo.com>> wrote: Hi, I seem to have sent it to Viswa alone. Resenting. Pradeep Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: * Pradeep Mohandas <prad2609@yahoo.com <mailto:prad2609@yahoo.com>>; *To: * viswaprabha@gmail.com <mailto:viswaprabha@gmail.com> <viswaprabha@gmail.com <mailto:viswaprabha@gmail.com>>; *Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns *Sent: * Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:44:01 AM Hi Vishwa, I am happy that this is now publicly recorded. I withdraw my accusation forthwith. I would also like to step down from the position of the GLAM SIG chair forthwith. I am happy to help in GLAM related activities where ever needed. I think others will do more justice to this position as I have been able to. In addition, I have found out now that my employee, State Bank of India, with which the Chapter maintains a bank account does not allow me to hold this position as a point of conflict of interest. I am not allowed to be on the Executive or head committees within a non profit which has a relationship with the Bank. Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: * ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <viswaprabha@gmail.com <mailto:viswaprabha@gmail.com>>; *To: * Pradeep Mohandas <prad2609@yahoo.com <mailto:prad2609@yahoo.com>>; Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>; *Subject: * Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Few concerns *Sent: * Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:12:21 AM Did I read and understand that absolutely correctly! If so, this is a huge accusal! Please come to your senses before doing such horrendous accusations! I would never (or am or will be planning) to send any mail messages to ANY public (or private) lists other than from my own proven identities!!! TAKE IT FOR GRANTED! Indeed, your baseless and mean assumption calls for severe actions! -Viswam User:Viswaprabha On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <prad2609@yahoo.com> wrote: hi, this is with reference to this email - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-September/010415.html, sent by "Zakaas Zakaas". the text of the email was scrubbed as HTML. The content of the text is here - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20130915/a6cebef4/attachment.html reproduced below: "While the new ECs are still deciding the new office bearers, there are some observations which are of serious concern. It is known fact that Karthik(secratory) is employee of Moksha(president) and Pranav is employee/consultant to Moksha</p> In the true spirit of wikipedia, where transparancy is atmost important, and conflict of interests are taken seriously, have these<br />people given any disclaimer about this information (employee, employer relationship) in advancIt will be nice to know the concern people stand regarding this matter. It is interesting to note that while the author asks for transparency, he is not transparent himself. Let us assume that the alias is taken for the sake of revealing this "truth". Unfortunately, just using the alias is insufficient, in my opinion. One must also be able to mask one's partiality to the language one uses for the mask to be complete. In this case, I can easily identify the author as Viswaprabha. He's the only person I know of who calls Moksh Moksha. 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hi,
My message is inline. Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email? - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
On Wednesday, 25 September 2013 5:15 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswaprabha@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
To set right the facts straight, please let me explicitly state the following for the information of you all:
1. I have been using internet and e-mail systems since 1994-1995. Since then until now, not even once, I have used the freedom to send a mail to any person or lists in a way not disclosing my singular and true identity.
2. I have not sent any mails to this or any other lists as 'Zakas' or whatever names. Usually I send very few and only absolutely necessary mails to Wikimedia lists (except perhaps for ml-community). Even after becoming an EC member, I have always restrained to limit my mails as we have assigned specific EC members for public relations and communications. That is, I deem that shouldering the responsibility of an EC member, one is further constrained to write (even personal) mails to the lists as much as one would like to.
3. Abiding the standard code of conduct to its fullest meaning, I have not communicated, disclosed or discussed any such matters that should be dealt within or by the EC under the purview of its collective responsibility to any undue third parties. I have also not prompted anyone else either to act on his own or as a proxy to carry out any missions.
I must also state it clear and loud that, as a person, I have no monitory, social or political interests that conflict with my assumed responsibilities within the EC or chapter. In being or serving as a chapter member (or as its extended functionary), my sole aim is to upkeep the mission and motto of Wikipedia and to effectively utilize the opportunities and resources it allows and provides for the betterment of the community. Therefore, I DO NOT NEED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CLANDESTINE OR UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES WHILE BEING AN EC MEMBER OR CHAPTER MEMBER!
Please allow me to write these rather silly lines more on a list which I always consider serious and subject-worthy. My apologies for the same in advance.
Dear Pradeep,
Is just withdrawing an accusation of that degree enough?
I STRONGLY DEMAND AN OUTRIGHT APOLOGY FROM YOU, THROUGH THIS VERY MAILING LIST, as this could heavily damage my reputation and stature henceforth both at a personal capacity as well as a responsible member of the current WMIN EC.
**Pradeep**
Dear Vishwaprabha,
I think till this point the points you raised are valid. I had already in an email previous to this withdrawn my statement. You have asked that I apologise since you did not deem this retraction sufficient. I think that this is fair. I even grant you the freedom to shout, in asking for your apology.
However, I deem the statements from hereon as a hit below the belt of an opponent who has already raised the white flag. This does not become you as an Executive Member of the Wikimedia India Chapter.
I wish I had tried out the methods you suggest below or at least had the guidance of someone who had access to these methods. My email, which I see as rather stupid in hindsight, was rather written without giving any thought whatsoever.
I know that this email has shown me in poor light on this mailing list. I cannot take back my words which I have written. I offered you an unconditional apology, which is all that I could do under the circumstances.
I only wish to place on record that I am disappointed in this following section of the email that you have sent me. In this section you conclude that I am a fool, stupid, ignorant and cannot think on my own two feet. Although you do not state this openly it is, in my opinion, implied. For this, I do not ask you for an apology, I only ask that you leave me alone and that we part ways amicably.
warm regards and good luck in all your endeavours on Wikimedia and off it.
Pradeep Mohandas
**end of Pradeep's emails**
I must also remind you that either your criminology and cyber-investigation lessons were quite bad, or your 'teachers' were quite unprepared. Or perhaps, you did not carry out your overnight homework exercises carefully.
It is quite funny how you could have arrived such laughable conclusions considering the following reasons:
1. Do I really call 'Moksh' as 'Moksha'? I don't think so. Did SOMEONE ELSE tell you so? Then, could it be that you were taken for a ride by those someone else?
2. Now, if someone else did not tell this (non-fact), how did you come to know of such a peculiar 'disorder' that I seem to have? Did we even talk to each other after a face-to-face (and very friendly) meet on 3rd of May 2012 (at Kerala Sahitya Academy compound, Thrissur)? Have we even ever spoke through phone or any other voice channels (or even mails)? Except for 3rd May 2012, Do I even know you personally? And then, did I even knew a person called 'Moksh' (or 'Moksha'), worthy of a subject of interest until the recent elections (or at the least, until I actually got involved with the chapter business last October)?
3. The next possibility is that I could have possibly written his name as 'Moksha' somewhere in a mail list or wiki page. Can you EVER SHOW ANY PAGE OR EVEN PRIVATE MAIL where I have used the term 'Moksha'?
So, having done a serious wrong, I demand you to immediately offer your apologies (to me as well as the list for having misled them,) right through this mailing list!
With the above statements and demand, I remain.
-Viswanathan Prabhakaran
(User:Viswaprabha)
Member,
Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter.
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