Heya, I guess, not everybody here may know about this, but back in 2009, we have a phenomenally successful scavenger hunt called Wikipedia Takes Chennai. THe link in question is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Chennai
Don't look at the Commons Category, there are only 31 files there.
This event was one of the first of it's kind in India, and was an inspiration to many of us. A quick glance at the talk page reveals a small fraction of what amount of Back end work was done by several of us, including me. We received a lot of FlickR donations as well. A heavy ton of this was uploaded by Srikanth L and Ganesh K. Four were done by me. [YAY!]
Anyway, on this page, we were discussing various things, when GaneshK posted a link to an article on WHY some people don't like contributing to the Commons. I believe this could be of help:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/arts/20funny.html Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, but It’s a Desert for Photos It is three years old though.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 16:47, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
what amount of Back end work was done
Backend work is key for any photo / GLAM event Using Hisham's words, "its not sexy stuff" :P. Its not about uploading 1000's of images, but the real value is had only when they are used on relevant pages. At the very least the file should have proper meta data so that some day some one will find them useful.
2 Things are important when it comes to Photo events from the perspective of Wikipedia.
1. Usage :-
Efforts must be made to use as many uploaded files as possible in the articles. Yes, we can only tell others to upload the file to commons, asking someone who is attending first photo walk / uploading to commons for the first time to also add it on article may be little too much. So Wikipedians must take onus in ensuring media uploaded is being used and not unused.
Most of us fall for numbers which are visible at the outset and feel happy about these kind of events.I would say Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 1 which added only 89 files is successful than Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 2 which added 628 files after I check the usage stats[1]. You can also do an audit for the event you organized / participated. The numbers are abysmally low for all, which in some sense means the effectiveness of these events in terms of tangible value to Wiki Projects are lesser (Of course there are other benefits, like networking, community socializing etc etc)
If on goes by numbers visible at outset, TamilWiki Media Contest might be most successful of all hunts with 15k files. It even fares well usage stats with 51%, but if one goes little deeper the actual usage that was added manually(Wiktionary auto adds pronunciation files, so excluding those) its just around 20% (which is great for the kind of numbers, but still). Wikipedia_Takes_Chennai is probably most successful event with 87% usage, but jokes apart Malayalam_loves_Wikimedia_event_-_2011_April has done well to get 28% (with 2157 images). [It is bound to be high, since the ratio of Wikipedians : Newbies is high in Malayalam projects generally]
Of Course all these photo hunts will have same images, so its not possible to get to 100%, but it should be atleast 40% for it to call a decent success.
2. Naming and meta data :-
A. Categorize properly. (or Fix it) B. English Description (or Add it) C. Get the naming right. (or Fix it)
3 things that we see as leanings from Tamil media contest. Categorizing is almost done with very few left uncategorized. The result of which(categorization) is visible here when a Norwegian wikipedian uses it[3] :) We do plan to fix 2 and 3 for large number of files over course of next few months, any help welcome :)
Commons folks can give more tips here. TWMC report will have a detailed section on learnings / best practices.
On a another note, I wonder why no one posted this to the list, but there has been Marathi Photothon and some 1300+ media files were uploaded[4], which is great, but just that they chose not to use commons and use the local wiki instead (bad idea, some Norwegian wikipedian cant use those :( ) There were some wonderful shots of NH4 as well as some copyvios which I found in a quick glance. Ideally only fair use images must be uploaded to local wiki's and CC-BY-SA files are best uploaded to commons since projects across wikimedia universe can use it.
Thanks for reading through.
[1] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/glamorous.php [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photo_scavenger_hunts_in_India [3] http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Natkeeran#Found_a_picture_thanks_to_t...
[4] http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%AB%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%9F%E0%A5%8B%E...
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 16:47, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
what amount of Back end work was done
Backend work is key for any photo / GLAM event Using Hisham's words, "its not sexy stuff" :P. Its not about uploading 1000's of images, but the real value is had only when they are used on relevant pages. At the very least the file should have proper meta data so that some day some one will find them useful.
2 Things are important when it comes to Photo events from the perspective of Wikipedia.
- Usage :-
Efforts must be made to use as many uploaded files as possible in the articles. Yes, we can only tell others to upload the file to commons, asking someone who is attending first photo walk / uploading to commons for the first time to also add it on article may be little too much. So Wikipedians must take onus in ensuring media uploaded is being used and not unused.
Most of us fall for numbers which are visible at the outset and feel happy about these kind of events.I would say Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 1 which added only 89 files is successful than Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 2 which added 628 files after I check the usage stats[1]. You can also do an audit for the event you organized / participated. The numbers are abysmally low for all, which in some sense means the effectiveness of these events in terms of tangible value to Wiki Projects are lesser (Of course there are other benefits, like networking, community socializing etc etc)
If on goes by numbers visible at outset, TamilWiki Media Contest might be most successful of all hunts with 15k files. It even fares well usage stats with 51%, but if one goes little deeper the actual usage that was added manually(Wiktionary auto adds pronunciation files, so excluding those) its just around 20% (which is great for the kind of numbers, but still). Wikipedia_Takes_Chennai is probably most successful event with 87% usage, but jokes apart Malayalam_loves_Wikimedia_event_-_2011_April has done well to get 28% (with 2157 images). [It is bound to be high, since the ratio of Wikipedians : Newbies is high in Malayalam projects generally]
Of Course all these photo hunts will have same images, so its not possible to get to 100%, but it should be atleast 40% for it to call a decent success.
- Naming and meta data :-
A. Categorize properly. (or Fix it) B. English Description (or Add it) C. Get the naming right. (or Fix it)
3 things that we see as leanings from Tamil media contest. Categorizing is almost done with very few left uncategorized. The result of which(categorization) is visible here when a Norwegian wikipedian uses it[3] :) We do plan to fix 2 and 3 for large number of files over course of next few months, any help welcome :)
Commons folks can give more tips here. TWMC report will have a detailed section on learnings / best practices.
On a another note, I wonder why no one posted this to the list, but there has been Marathi Photothon and some 1300+ media files were uploaded[4], which is great, but just that they chose not to use commons and use the local wiki instead (bad idea, some Norwegian wikipedian cant use those :( ) There were some wonderful shots of NH4 as well as some copyvios which I found in a quick glance. Ideally only fair use images must be uploaded to local wiki's and CC-BY-SA files are best uploaded to commons since projects across wikimedia universe can use it.
Thanks for reading through.
[1] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/glamorous.php [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photo_scavenger_hunts_in_India
[3] http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Natkeeran#Found_a_picture_thanks_to_t...
[4] http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%AB%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%9F%E0%A5%8B%E...
-- Regards Srikanth.L
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The question just got asked when I was about to ask it. The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin? Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
Yes, Konark. But I do not want to point figures to one event. In my view all events are culprits.
Imagine the problem of processing 15K images of the Tamil contest - I shudder to think!
Suggestion : No image should be considered eligible for competition till it is uploaded with : * proper description. * suggested/recommended article for image use or for creation. * proper categorisation in Commons.
Have volunteers available to help photographers. The photothon should end in an uploading function where volunteers help in these aspects.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
The question just got asked when I was about to ask it.
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin?
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
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Agreed, I wasn't involved in editing until the Ahmedabad photowalk happened, else I'd have helped.I suggest we should segregate the photos in sub categories, while keeping track of those identical images that should be deleted. Konarak Ratnakar | kondi Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:09:10 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and other events
Yes, Konark. But I do not want to point figures to one event. In my view all events are culprits. Imagine the problem of processing 15K images of the Tamil contest - I shudder to think!
Suggestion : No image should be considered eligible for competition till it is uploaded with :* proper description.* suggested/recommended article for image use or for creation.* proper categorisation in Commons.
Have volunteers available to help photographers. The photothon should end in an uploading function where volunteers help in these aspects.Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.com wrote:
The question just got asked when I was about to ask it. The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin?
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
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Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We kept the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really got around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
1) People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to make Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
2) Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We are no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
3) Since then and since the Tamil Wikimedia contest I have been contemplating on things: How can we minimize and optimize image uploads? Can we set parameters in the contest format so that everyone can contribute but its more diverse in terms of results? Maybe we should generate a more exhaustive list of items? Also, are there guidelines for maintenance that we can make (5-7 points) so that the organizers can follow that up too (just in case they aren't aware or don't know how to)?
Do let me know what you guys think! Regards Noopur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
Agreed, I wasn't involved in editing until the Ahmedabad photowalk happened, else I'd have helped. I suggest we should segregate the photos in sub categories, while keeping track of those identical images that should be deleted.
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:09:10 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and other events
Yes, Konark. But I do not want to point figures to one event. In my view all events are culprits.
Imagine the problem of processing 15K images of the Tamil contest - I shudder to think!
Suggestion : No image should be considered eligible for competition till it is uploaded with :
- proper description.
- suggested/recommended article for image use or for creation.
- proper categorisation in Commons.
Have volunteers available to help photographers. The photothon should end in an uploading function where volunteers help in these aspects.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
The question just got asked when I was about to ask it.
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin?
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We kept the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really got around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We are no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We
kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really
got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to
make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We
are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Who asked you that and why?
You can add as much categories as you see fit, as long as they aren't redundant (Like add the categories "Cakes" and "Bithday cakes" to the same image).
I would like the message when someone asked you that _____ * *
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
* *
* Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
* ** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We
kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really
got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to
make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We
are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Dear Beria,
Here is the message this user left: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Noopur28#Your_uploads_in_Decembe...
My logic for adding 3-4 categories was that people usually search by keywords and not inside larger categories. So I would add around 3-4 categories. But, then this user told me to stick to larger parent categories. I am still unsure which is a better way so I stick to only India or a state category now.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Who asked you that and why?
You can add as much categories as you see fit, as long as they aren't redundant (Like add the categories "Cakes" and "Bithday cakes" to the same image).
I would like the message when someone asked you that _____
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really
got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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I think you didn't understand him Noopur. He asked you (and i'm quoting):
*Please use as far as possible the category of the regarding
city/town/village or district (if there's no category) etc., or, a localized better 'fitting' i.e. the 'most fitting"' category(ies). Do not add - in addition - the categories of the "parent category", among them cities, states and countries etc.*
Or in other words: Don't add a cat and a sub-cat. Like the cake and birthday cake case, you only need to put in one, so if is a Birthday Cake, use only this category. People who want to see a birthday cake and get to category Cake, will have a link to the sub cat.
Same goes to categories like India - state - city - event. If the event is in city X (Let's use Delhi for example) you don't need to add as well the cat for the city, state and Country in the image. That is called over categorization.
But if you have a birthday cake for a party in Delhi in the event (again example): Wikipedia 10. You can - and you should - add the cat to the event AND the category for the cake.
If you wanna see an example of a image with several categories but not overcategorized you can see this one for example: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:B%C3%A9ria_at_Bom_Jesus_do_Monte.jpgw... have 6 categories, but none is subcat of another. _____ * *
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
* *
* Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
* ** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 15:24, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Beria,
Here is the message this user left: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Noopur28#Your_uploads_in_Decembe...
My logic for adding 3-4 categories was that people usually search by keywords and not inside larger categories. So I would add around 3-4 categories. But, then this user told me to stick to larger parent categories. I am still unsure which is a better way so I stick to only India or a state category now.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Who asked you that and why?
You can add as much categories as you see fit, as long as they aren't redundant (Like add the categories "Cakes" and "Bithday cakes" to the same image).
I would like the message when someone asked you that _____
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It
was
decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us
really got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning
up.
There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Alrighty! Thanks :)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
I think you didn't understand him Noopur. He asked you (and i'm quoting):
*Please use as far as possible the category of the regarding
city/town/village or district (if there's no category) etc., or, a localized better 'fitting' i.e. the 'most fitting"' category(ies). Do not add - in addition - the categories of the "parent category", among them cities, states and countries etc.*
Or in other words: Don't add a cat and a sub-cat. Like the cake and birthday cake case, you only need to put in one, so if is a Birthday Cake, use only this category. People who want to see a birthday cake and get to category Cake, will have a link to the sub cat.
Same goes to categories like India - state - city - event. If the event is in city X (Let's use Delhi for example) you don't need to add as well the cat for the city, state and Country in the image. That is called over categorization.
But if you have a birthday cake for a party in Delhi in the event (again example): Wikipedia 10. You can - and you should - add the cat to the event AND the category for the cake.
If you wanna see an example of a image with several categories but not overcategorized you can see this one for example: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:B%C3%A9ria_at_Bom_Jesus_do_Monte.jpgw... have 6 categories, but none is subcat of another. _____
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 15:24, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Beria,
Here is the message this user left: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Noopur28#Your_uploads_in_Decembe...
My logic for adding 3-4 categories was that people usually search by keywords and not inside larger categories. So I would add around 3-4 categories. But, then this user told me to stick to larger parent categories. I am still unsure which is a better way so I stick to only India or a state category now.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Who asked you that and why?
You can add as much categories as you see fit, as long as they aren't redundant (Like add the categories "Cakes" and "Bithday cakes" to the same image).
I would like the message when someone asked you that _____
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It
was
decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us
really got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning
up.
There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Beria, you are GOD. She moved all the media to [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] with Cat-a-lot. Also, I made an error again, [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] should be a sub-cat of [[Category:Ahmedabad]], so there is no need to add both.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Who asked you that and why?
You can add as much categories as you see fit, as long as they aren't redundant (Like add the categories "Cakes" and "Bithday cakes" to the same image).
I would like the message when someone asked you that _____
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really
got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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She deserves some virtual tiramisu for that :) Thanks Beria!
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
Beria, you are GOD. She moved all the media to [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] with Cat-a-lot. Also, I made an error again, [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] should be a sub-cat of [[Category:Ahmedabad]], so there is no need to add both.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Who asked you that and why?
You can add as much categories as you see fit, as long as they aren't redundant (Like add the categories "Cakes" and "Bithday cakes" to the same image).
I would like the message when someone asked you that _____
*[image: Inline images 1]*
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files.
Though, I would suggest we all refrain from adding too many categories. I was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It
was
decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us
really got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning
up.
There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Hey Noopur,If I sounded accusing, I apologize for that. I was going to do this categorization work and saw this mail here.And Anirudh, I'm on it, I'll add/create proper categories to the images.
From: anirudhsbh@gmail.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:19:38 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and other events
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We kept the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really got around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We are no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Arrey no. Chill ya. You are our biggest success story of the photothon :P This comment was generally regarding how too many images can make us all lazy.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
Hey Noopur, If I sounded accusing, I apologize for that. I was going to do this categorization work and saw this mail here. And Anirudh, I'm on it, I'll add/create proper categories to the images.
From: anirudhsbh@gmail.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:19:38 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and
other events
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really
got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Important lesson for WLM coming up later this year.
Pradeep Handheld On Mar 13, 2012 11:25 PM, "Noopur" noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Arrey no. Chill ya. You are our biggest success story of the photothon :P This comment was generally regarding how too many images can make us all lazy.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
Hey Noopur, If I sounded accusing, I apologize for that. I was going to do this categorization work and saw this mail here. And Anirudh, I'm on it, I'll add/create proper categories to the images.
From: anirudhsbh@gmail.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:19:38 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and
other events
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com
wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged.
We kept
the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It
was
decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us
really got
around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning
up.
There are several reasons for this:
It was clearly not your fault. You are a new user and I should have migrated these files to the regular categories. I am now removing [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] and replacing with it [[Category:Ahmedabad]] and [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]]. All help is welcome, these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if they already exist or if there is a justifiable reason to create a new one you can create those and add the cat to these files. I'm no expert on Commons categorization, but there are a bunch of helpful power users available on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-commons who can help you out with that.
We decided to go with [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]] instead of [[Category:Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad 1]] because we assumed that would make it easier for the users to add these categories easily.
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event
to make
Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
Indeed. A few good images made it to the articles, while a couple of images inspired creation of articles around important monuments. See [[Hutheesing Jain Temple]] (and thanks Srikeit for that).
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But,
I/We are
no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
Yes, indeed.
Thanks, anirudh
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Ashwin, Thanks for the suggestions. But the contest deliberately kept the entry barriers low - the contest was for the uploads alone. So we are not considering any additional behaviour (categorising, clear descriptions, usage suggestions) for the prizes.
Too add to Srikanth L's points on the tamil wiki media contest, these are some of the preliminary lessons learnt (the official report will carry the complete list):
1) The commons admins/maintenance activity oriented users are even more overworked than en wiki. If we are bringing files there through our activities, we carry the responsibility to not to overburden them. We realised this and have formed a team from ta wiki, which is doing the categorising and adding descriptions. (This team just coalesced on its own, without any conscious effort on the organisers part and is doing well aided by commons regulars).[1] Two of us have applied for and got file mover rights and two more have obtained AWB rights for doing cleanup. Categorisation is about 90 percent complete now.
We plan to finish the clean up (copyvio tagging / rotating/ cropping / description / categorising/ watermark removal) for all the files that were uploaded as part of the after contest efforts.
The priority for us is 1)eliminating copyvio 2)clear filenames/descriptions 3)rotations 4)categorisaton
And do the categorisation using people who are familiar with it in your own wikis (to avoid redundancy and errors like Beria points out). Dont do categorisation drives by people who aren't familiar with how and why categorising should be done.
2) Let contestants know where the images go and what they are used for. This will earn our wikis more active users. We managed to do this for part of the contestants - couldnt reach them all. But to my knowledge, ta wiki has gained atleast half a dozen new users who are using their files and some are even writing new articles for using their entries. Once they became involved, they are involving themselves in further activities in commons too.
3) Of the 15k odd files uploaded as part of the contest 8k are being used in various wiki projects and counting multiple usage, across all wikis there are a total of 11k file usage instances.
4) Taking cue from WLM Europe, we are planning a followup message on all uploaders talk pages (and email if their email facility is enabled) thanking them and telling them of furthur activities they can take part of.
==Links== 1) http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&a...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We kept the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really got around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to
make Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We are no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
- Since then and since the Tamil Wikimedia contest I have been
contemplating on things: How can we minimize and optimize image uploads? Can we set parameters in the contest format so that everyone can contribute but its more diverse in terms of results? Maybe we should generate a more exhaustive list of items? Also, are there guidelines for maintenance that we can make (5-7 points) so that the organizers can follow that up too (just in case they aren't aware or don't know how to)?
Do let me know what you guys think! Regards Noopur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
Agreed, I wasn't involved in editing until the Ahmedabad photowalk happened, else I'd have helped. I suggest we should segregate the photos in sub categories, while keeping track of those identical images that should be deleted.
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:09:10 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and other events
Yes, Konark. But I do not want to point figures to one event. In my view all events are culprits.
Imagine the problem of processing 15K images of the Tamil contest - I shudder to think!
Suggestion : No image should be considered eligible for competition till it is uploaded with :
- proper description.
- suggested/recommended article for image use or for creation.
- proper categorisation in Commons.
Have volunteers available to help photographers. The photothon should end in an uploading function where volunteers help in these aspects.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
The question just got asked when I was about to ask it.
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin?
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Bala, that is great news indeed. 8K utilisations! Magnificient.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabottle@gmail.comwrote:
Ashwin, Thanks for the suggestions. But the contest deliberately kept the entry barriers low - the contest was for the uploads alone. So we are not considering any additional behaviour (categorising, clear descriptions, usage suggestions) for the prizes.
Too add to Srikanth L's points on the tamil wiki media contest, these are some of the preliminary lessons learnt (the official report will carry the complete list):
- The commons admins/maintenance activity oriented users are even more
overworked than en wiki. If we are bringing files there through our activities, we carry the responsibility to not to overburden them. We realised this and have formed a team from ta wiki, which is doing the categorising and adding descriptions. (This team just coalesced on its own, without any conscious effort on the organisers part and is doing well aided by commons regulars).[1] Two of us have applied for and got file mover rights and two more have obtained AWB rights for doing cleanup. Categorisation is about 90 percent complete now.
We plan to finish the clean up (copyvio tagging / rotating/ cropping / description / categorising/ watermark removal) for all the files that were uploaded as part of the after contest efforts.
The priority for us is 1)eliminating copyvio 2)clear filenames/descriptions 3)rotations 4)categorisaton
And do the categorisation using people who are familiar with it in your own wikis (to avoid redundancy and errors like Beria points out). Dont do categorisation drives by people who aren't familiar with how and why categorising should be done.
- Let contestants know where the images go and what they are used for.
This will earn our wikis more active users. We managed to do this for part of the contestants - couldnt reach them all. But to my knowledge, ta wiki has gained atleast half a dozen new users who are using their files and some are even writing new articles for using their entries. Once they became involved, they are involving themselves in further activities in commons too.
- Of the 15k odd files uploaded as part of the contest 8k are being used
in various wiki projects and counting multiple usage, across all wikis there are a total of 11k file usage instances.
- Taking cue from WLM Europe, we are planning a followup message on all
uploaders talk pages (and email if their email facility is enabled) thanking them and telling them of furthur activities they can take part of.
==Links==
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&a...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We kept the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really got around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to
make Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We are no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
- Since then and since the Tamil Wikimedia contest I have been
contemplating on things: How can we minimize and optimize image uploads? Can we set parameters in the contest format so that everyone can contribute but its more diverse in terms of results? Maybe we should generate a more exhaustive list of items? Also, are there guidelines for maintenance that we can make (5-7 points) so that the organizers can follow that up too (just in case they aren't aware or don't know how to)?
Do let me know what you guys think! Regards Noopur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
Agreed, I wasn't involved in editing until the Ahmedabad photowalk happened, else I'd have helped. I suggest we should segregate the photos in sub categories, while keeping track of those identical images that should be deleted.
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:09:10 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and other events
Yes, Konark. But I do not want to point figures to one event. In my view all events are culprits.
Imagine the problem of processing 15K images of the Tamil contest - I shudder to think!
Suggestion : No image should be considered eligible for competition till it is uploaded with :
- proper description.
- suggested/recommended article for image use or for creation.
- proper categorisation in Commons.
Have volunteers available to help photographers. The photothon should end in an uploading function where volunteers help in these aspects.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
The question just got asked when I was about to ask it.
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin?
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Hello all, I agree there is categorization and inserting meta data work pending for some of the photos clicked in Mumbai Photowalk 2. The temporary maintenance [[Category:WTM ll]] was however changed to [[Category:Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 2]], to avoid disambiguation.
Few Good clicks have been inserted on appropriate articles. Categorization will be done and the usage stats would surely rise :)
However am confused as to what should be done with repetitive images?
Also, it would be really helpful if we have a preset guide-book for the maintenance related work since even I was unaware of lot of things while taking up the charge (which I eventually learnt and still learning !) and hence the delay.
Warmly, Nikita Belavate.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Bala, that is great news indeed. 8K utilisations! Magnificient.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabottle@gmail.comwrote:
Ashwin, Thanks for the suggestions. But the contest deliberately kept the entry barriers low - the contest was for the uploads alone. So we are not considering any additional behaviour (categorising, clear descriptions, usage suggestions) for the prizes.
Too add to Srikanth L's points on the tamil wiki media contest, these are some of the preliminary lessons learnt (the official report will carry the complete list):
- The commons admins/maintenance activity oriented users are even more
overworked than en wiki. If we are bringing files there through our activities, we carry the responsibility to not to overburden them. We realised this and have formed a team from ta wiki, which is doing the categorising and adding descriptions. (This team just coalesced on its own, without any conscious effort on the organisers part and is doing well aided by commons regulars).[1] Two of us have applied for and got file mover rights and two more have obtained AWB rights for doing cleanup. Categorisation is about 90 percent complete now.
We plan to finish the clean up (copyvio tagging / rotating/ cropping / description / categorising/ watermark removal) for all the files that were uploaded as part of the after contest efforts.
The priority for us is 1)eliminating copyvio 2)clear filenames/descriptions 3)rotations 4)categorisaton
And do the categorisation using people who are familiar with it in your own wikis (to avoid redundancy and errors like Beria points out). Dont do categorisation drives by people who aren't familiar with how and why categorising should be done.
- Let contestants know where the images go and what they are used for.
This will earn our wikis more active users. We managed to do this for part of the contestants - couldnt reach them all. But to my knowledge, ta wiki has gained atleast half a dozen new users who are using their files and some are even writing new articles for using their entries. Once they became involved, they are involving themselves in further activities in commons too.
- Of the 15k odd files uploaded as part of the contest 8k are being used
in various wiki projects and counting multiple usage, across all wikis there are a total of 11k file usage instances.
- Taking cue from WLM Europe, we are planning a followup message on all
uploaders talk pages (and email if their email facility is enabled) thanking them and telling them of furthur activities they can take part of.
==Links==
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&a...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We kept the Category:Ahmedabad_1 to avoid flooding the popular category. It was decided to serve as the ''maintenance category'' but none of us really got around to transferring images to the Ahmedabad category or cleaning up. There are several reasons for this:
- People started using images from Ahmedabad_1 soon after the event to
make Ahmedabad articles. So, the attention was diverted there.
- Personally, I was unclear as to whether all these images had to be
migrated because of course some are repetitive and redundant. But, I/We are no one to judge whose image stays or goes.
- Since then and since the Tamil Wikimedia contest I have been
contemplating on things: How can we minimize and optimize image uploads? Can we set parameters in the contest format so that everyone can contribute but its more diverse in terms of results? Maybe we should generate a more exhaustive list of items? Also, are there guidelines for maintenance that we can make (5-7 points) so that the organizers can follow that up too (just in case they aren't aware or don't know how to)?
Do let me know what you guys think! Regards Noopur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
Agreed, I wasn't involved in editing until the Ahmedabad photowalk happened, else I'd have helped. I suggest we should segregate the photos in sub categories, while keeping track of those identical images that should be deleted.
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:09:10 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Lesson from the past: Photowalks and other events
Yes, Konark. But I do not want to point figures to one event. In my view all events are culprits.
Imagine the problem of processing 15K images of the Tamil contest - I shudder to think!
Suggestion : No image should be considered eligible for competition till it is uploaded with :
- proper description.
- suggested/recommended article for image use or for creation.
- proper categorisation in Commons.
Have volunteers available to help photographers. The photothon should end in an uploading function where volunteers help in these aspects.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak.11@live.comwrote:
The question just got asked when I was about to ask it.
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 you're talking about something like this, right Ashwin?
Konarak Ratnakar | kondi
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Strong support to Bala's statement. The Tamil wiki contest is different from a photowalk. The main aim of it was to increase content related to Tamil. As for articles being created based on the entries, I can show the one I created on Coimbatore bypass.
Also, Noopur, Anirudh, Nikita, Konark, don't feel guilty about categories. It's not something that individually matters. That is a collective responsibility.
Hi,
I guess we need to do a photo categorization drive on Commons like the tag & assess drive we're doing for wikiproject India.
Pradeep Handheld On Mar 13, 2012 7:15 PM, "Ashwin Baindur" ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that the organisers end their activities with the upload of hundreds of images. The cleanup is expected to be done by un-named, unknown others. The encyclopedic value of the images that the people took in the photothon never get realised.
The organisers of any photothon must realise that the photothon should end only after the Juice is squeezed out of each image. Better to have 50 good images, catalogued and embellishing articles than thousands "[[waiting for Godot]]".
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 16:47, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
what amount of Back end work was done
Backend work is key for any photo / GLAM event Using Hisham's words, "its not sexy stuff" :P. Its not about uploading 1000's of images, but the real value is had only when they are used on relevant pages. At the very least the file should have proper meta data so that some day some one will find them useful.
2 Things are important when it comes to Photo events from the perspective of Wikipedia.
- Usage :-
Efforts must be made to use as many uploaded files as possible in the articles. Yes, we can only tell others to upload the file to commons, asking someone who is attending first photo walk / uploading to commons for the first time to also add it on article may be little too much. So Wikipedians must take onus in ensuring media uploaded is being used and not unused.
Most of us fall for numbers which are visible at the outset and feel happy about these kind of events.I would say Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 1 which added only 89 files is successful than Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 2 which added 628 files after I check the usage stats[1]. You can also do an audit for the event you organized / participated. The numbers are abysmally low for all, which in some sense means the effectiveness of these events in terms of tangible value to Wiki Projects are lesser (Of course there are other benefits, like networking, community socializing etc etc)
If on goes by numbers visible at outset, TamilWiki Media Contest might be most successful of all hunts with 15k files. It even fares well usage stats with 51%, but if one goes little deeper the actual usage that was added manually(Wiktionary auto adds pronunciation files, so excluding those) its just around 20% (which is great for the kind of numbers, but still). Wikipedia_Takes_Chennai is probably most successful event with 87% usage, but jokes apart Malayalam_loves_Wikimedia_event_-_2011_April has done well to get 28% (with 2157 images). [It is bound to be high, since the ratio of Wikipedians : Newbies is high in Malayalam projects generally]
Of Course all these photo hunts will have same images, so its not possible to get to 100%, but it should be atleast 40% for it to call a decent success.
- Naming and meta data :-
A. Categorize properly. (or Fix it) B. English Description (or Add it) C. Get the naming right. (or Fix it)
3 things that we see as leanings from Tamil media contest. Categorizing is almost done with very few left uncategorized. The result of which(categorization) is visible here when a Norwegian wikipedian uses it[3] :) We do plan to fix 2 and 3 for large number of files over course of next few months, any help welcome :)
Commons folks can give more tips here. TWMC report will have a detailed section on learnings / best practices.
On a another note, I wonder why no one posted this to the list, but there has been Marathi Photothon and some 1300+ media files were uploaded[4], which is great, but just that they chose not to use commons and use the local wiki instead (bad idea, some Norwegian wikipedian cant use those :( ) There were some wonderful shots of NH4 as well as some copyvios which I found in a quick glance. Ideally only fair use images must be uploaded to local wiki's and CC-BY-SA files are best uploaded to commons since projects across wikimedia universe can use it.
Thanks for reading through.
[1] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/glamorous.php [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photo_scavenger_hunts_in_India
[3] http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Natkeeran#Found_a_picture_thanks_to_t...
[4] http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%AB%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%9F%E0%A5%8B%E...
-- Regards Srikanth.L
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