Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is important to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both under the right section in the page) _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
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On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all of you easily.)
On behalf of the jury Thomas. (User:Thogo)
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As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made unilaterally by an under-age editor who is not in a position to execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise the bid should be thrown out.
That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined in all seriousness.
I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from outside.
WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go? I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even larger event without extensive external help when they could not tackle the smaller?
If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support Mumbai should it win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities not hosting foreigners.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is important to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both under the right section in the page) _____ Béria Lima (351) 925 171 484
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.
On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all of you easily.)
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hi,
If I understand it correctly, the Mumbai bid has been left as a placeholder bid from India. If such a placeholder bid is not needed, we'd like to initiate discussions on the Mumbai list on the status of our bid and make the appropriate announcement on the Mumbai community's decision on the same. We have not initiated this discussion so far but I think it is one that me started on the Mumbai list. Will let everyone know.
Pradeep Handheld
On 24/01/2012, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made unilaterally by an under-age editor who is not in a position to execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise the bid should be thrown out.
That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined in all seriousness.
I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from outside.
WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go? I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even larger event without extensive external help when they could not tackle the smaller?
If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support Mumbai should it win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities not hosting foreigners.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is important to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both under the right section in the page) _____ Béria Lima (351) 925 171 484
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.
On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all of you easily.)
On behalf of the jury Thomas. (User:Thogo)
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I strongly concur with the most of the thoughts of Ashwin below.
The need of the hour is the build the strong Indian Wikipedias and Wiki-communities within India. IMHO, We are too early to host a Wikimania in India. While we had a successful Wikiconference Mumbai, I think we all agree that we were still short of lot of hands and infrastructure. Based on my experiences of attending previous Wikimanias, I can say that the standards should be much high, when you are hosting a Wikimania, where more than 500+ international delegates attend. ( Except yea, in Gdansk ;) )
My personal suggestion is that we withdraw the bids for Delhi / Mumbai for Wikimania 2013. We should a host a few more Wiki-Conferences at different cities in India annually, till we are mature enough for a Wikimania ( may be in 2014-16). Also, there is no need of a national Wikiconference on the same year we are hosting a Wikimania.
Regards Tinu Cherian
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made unilaterally by an under-age editor who is not in a position to execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise the bid should be thrown out.
That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined in all seriousness.
I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from outside.
WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go? I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even larger event without extensive external help when they could not tackle the smaller?
If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support Mumbai should it win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities not hosting foreigners.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is
important
to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both
under
the right section in the page) _____ Béria Lima (351) 925 171 484
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.
On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com
wrote:
Dear all,
I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all of you easily.)
On behalf of the jury Thomas. (User:Thogo)
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+1 with Tinu
hi,
I missed this line in my last email: I concurr with what Ashwin has said.
I think we must aim towards making WikiConference India as good as and perhaps better than Wikimania before we seriously put in a bid for Wikimania.
Pradeep Handheld
On 24/01/2012, Jayanta Nath jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
+1 with Tinu
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Thank you all for your responses.
Thanks Pradeep for telling us that the bid was a placeholder bid. I was not aware of that. Placing the placeholder was indeed a good action, though of course, it would have been better if wider publicity of placeholder being placed were given.
I'm personally happy to see Mumbai opting to build up local community activities which it missed out last year due to their full and tremendous commitment to WikiConference 2011. Mumbai Community has been doing great events and they have a wonderful line up including GLAM.
I'm of the opinion that the Delhi bid be discarded prima facie and as Mumbai has clarified its stance, Arjuna Rao Chawala, as Chapter head may like to confirm India's non-participation in contesting for hosting Wikimania 2013.
Of course, if there are dissenting opinions please pitch in right away as it may seem that I'm trying to rush through with this issue, which is not the case.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I missed this line in my last email: I concurr with what Ashwin has said.
I think we must aim towards making WikiConference India as good as and perhaps better than Wikimania before we seriously put in a bid for Wikimania.
Pradeep Handheld
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+1 with Tinu
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+1 tp Pradeep's sentiments to first making WikiConferences quality events.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you all for your responses.
Thanks Pradeep for telling us that the bid was a placeholder bid. I was not aware of that. Placing the placeholder was indeed a good action, though of course, it would have been better if wider publicity of placeholder being placed were given.
I'm personally happy to see Mumbai opting to build up local community activities which it missed out last year due to their full and tremendous commitment to WikiConference 2011. Mumbai Community has been doing great events and they have a wonderful line up including GLAM.
I'm of the opinion that the Delhi bid be discarded prima facie and as Mumbai has clarified its stance, Arjuna Rao Chawala, as Chapter head may like to confirm India's non-participation in contesting for hosting Wikimania 2013.
Of course, if there are dissenting opinions please pitch in right away as it may seem that I'm trying to rush through with this issue, which is not the case.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I missed this line in my last email: I concurr with what Ashwin has said.
I think we must aim towards making WikiConference India as good as and perhaps better than Wikimania before we seriously put in a bid for Wikimania.
Pradeep Handheld
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+1 with Tinu
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Dear All,
It almost took me quite sometime to go through the mailers above.
I honestly go by what Ashwin says. I pretty much understand that India, needs more local events to establish itself inside the country and then we can aim to bring in Wikimania's.
If I may make a suggestion, I would like to say that, in future, the events we organize can be aimed to conduct a Wikimania in India soil. Lets all together aspire to create events which will ultimately make us ready to organize a Wikimania in India.
I suggest we pitch in some SME (Subject Matter Experts) from different industries and try to involve them in working with wikipedia as editors. For E.g. we can have some one from IT companies to work on the technical content placed in Wikipedia.. similarly ppl from varied industries can involve themselves... we can also conduct local events centralized with the industries... by doing so, we get more volunteers to participate and help in team building :) in a year or two, this practice will make us sufficient enough to conduct Wikimania's
Lets make Wikimania as an ultimate destination to reach and the local events we organize (like GLAM, Workshops) etc can be minor milestones we wish to reach.
Regards, Ade.
On 24 January 2012 11:54, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you all for your responses.
Thanks Pradeep for telling us that the bid was a placeholder bid. I was not aware of that. Placing the placeholder was indeed a good action, though of course, it would have been better if wider publicity of placeholder being placed were given.
I'm personally happy to see Mumbai opting to build up local community activities which it missed out last year due to their full and tremendous commitment to WikiConference 2011. Mumbai Community has been doing great events and they have a wonderful line up including GLAM.
I'm of the opinion that the Delhi bid be discarded prima facie and as Mumbai has clarified its stance, Arjuna Rao Chawala, as Chapter head may like to confirm India's non-participation in contesting for hosting Wikimania 2013.
Of course, if there are dissenting opinions please pitch in right away as it may seem that I'm trying to rush through with this issue, which is not the case.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
I missed this line in my last email: I concurr with what Ashwin has said.
I think we must aim towards making WikiConference India as good as and perhaps better than Wikimania before we seriously put in a bid for Wikimania.
Pradeep Handheld
On 24/01/2012, Jayanta Nath jayantanth@gmail.com wrote:
+1 with Tinu
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+1 Ashwin.
As far as I know none of the Wiki communities of India (either language or city) are in a stage to host an international conference. For time being let us concentrate on building communities and let us gain confidence by doing some good regional and language specific conferences.
Shiju
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made unilaterally by an under-age editor who is not in a position to execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise the bid should be thrown out.
That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined in all seriousness.
I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from outside.
WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go? I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even larger event without extensive external help when they could not tackle the smaller?
If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support Mumbai should it win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities not hosting foreigners.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is
important
to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both
under
the right section in the page) _____ Béria Lima (351) 925 171 484
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.
On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com
wrote:
Dear all,
I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all of you easily.)
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Just a small suggestion/food for thought: Mostly in events like Wikimania or others that bring together content experts, the organizing bit is outsourced to experienced event managers who work in collaboration and understand the needs of the community. I think we should consider getting someone like that (like Netra and Moksh helped) who can help figure out formative logistics before any event is declared.That could be a useful starting point. Cheers Noopur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonline@gmail.comwrote:
+1 Ashwin.
As far as I know none of the Wiki communities of India (either language or city) are in a stage to host an international conference. For time being let us concentrate on building communities and let us gain confidence by doing some good regional and language specific conferences.
Shiju
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made unilaterally by an under-age editor who is not in a position to execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise the bid should be thrown out.
That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined in all seriousness.
I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from outside.
WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go? I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even larger event without extensive external help when they could not tackle the smaller?
If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support Mumbai should it win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities not hosting foreigners.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is
important
to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both
under
the right section in the page) _____ Béria Lima (351) 925 171 484
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.
On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer thogol@googlemail.com
wrote:
Dear all,
I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all of you easily.)
On behalf of the jury Thomas. (User:Thogo)
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:18, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
the organizing bit is outsourced to experienced event managers
Not in totality. What can be outsourced are things like food / hotels / logistics etc.
Its *WIKIPEDIANS* who have to do a whole lot of things from scholarships to programs to PR to finances to editing wiki pages(If you see wikimania's have a wiki for itself) to a whole lot of things which cannot be outsourced. WCI showed us how we were incredibly short of hands in each of these things. For the sake of calling it community conference, things *have* to be done by the *community*. If we dont feel like we have the community, we must be content with what we do and not aim at events which are way out of reach.
-1 for any wikimania bid from India till 2014.
+1 with Logic and I don't think India needs to host an international event, a more structured community building exercise from foundation, chapter, existing Wikipedians is going on and it will take some time for a proper community. Putting a bid and conducting an event physically are things of 2 different spheres. No matter how well programs were arranged, there were basic issues including Wi-Fi/Food and lot more and we can't blame the OC. Their voluntary effort is to be appreciated and communication/logistics problems all happened because of lack of participation. A small group of volunteers did well, but, the similar things/worse things are going to happen when majority of the delegates will be from all different countries.
-1 withthe bid!
On 24 January 2012 12:40, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik.lak@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:18, Noopur noopur.raval@gmail.com wrote:
the organizing bit is outsourced to experienced event managers
Not in totality. What can be outsourced are things like food / hotels / logistics etc.
Its *WIKIPEDIANS* who have to do a whole lot of things from scholarships to programs to PR to finances to editing wiki pages(If you see wikimania's have a wiki for itself) to a whole lot of things which cannot be outsourced. WCI showed us how we were incredibly short of hands in each of these things. For the sake of calling it community conference, things *have* to be done by the *community*. If we dont feel like we have the community, we must be content with what we do and not aim at events which are way out of reach.
-1 for any wikimania bid from India till 2014.
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Subha
Hi,
I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out of Wikimania bid until next few years.
Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with specific goals like hackathons.
Ravi
Not of my business what you do in India, but here is my 2 cents.
I think that a nacional Conference for India is a HUGE job (Comming for a country that is equaly huge, I can imagine the several logistic problems to deslocate people from one city to another).
So my suggestion is to make several "mini-confereces" organized by state (India is organized by states, right?) like the series of Wikipedia Academies. That will teach local teams all around India to organize small conferences (not bigger than 100 people) and minimize costs and problems. You can always have a nacional conference once every 2 years or so. _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
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On 24 January 2012 20:46, Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out of Wikimania bid until next few years.
Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with specific goals like hackathons.
Ravi
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Agree and disagree.
Though WCI takes a lot of effort, yes, the results are for all of us to see. A new incubator has been initiated (Ahirani), there is talk of revival of other Indic pedias such as Kashmiri, several Photowalks, hackathons, Workshops and Academies have been held (or are being planned) in the last couple of months, COTM has been revived on en.wiki. Several people who came as attendees are now active members of the community. These are just some of the major happenings - When we came up with the idea, we never imagined this sort of impact. Each community seems to have taken a leaf out of anothers book. No one can take credit for this, it is just a result of mingling with one another. WCI was ridden with mistakes and severly short on manpower, but hey - it was our first attempt at anything like this and Im sure we did a decent job given the circumstances. Im also sure it is a lesson for the future, the start of a learning curve.
On the other hand, there need to be resources available to do it all over again. So, IMO if a certain local community anywhere in the country feels it can take it up, yes they should go ahead with another version in 2012 as hosting it on an annual basis will only take the event to the next level and give us exposure that no local event can give.
The only advice I can give to communities interested, dont think holding it is a cakewalk, horrendous things will happen and you will need to deal with them, be prepared to work your ass off (literally, 16 to 18 hours a day, 7 days a week), have atleast 5 people working on it full time and 20 people who can give atleast 5 hours a week to begin with and 10 hours a week in the last couple of months and be ready to face the worst with a brave face.
We will soon be coming out with our report on WCI 2011 and hope that it would help future organisers of similar events in their endevours.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:16:16 +0530 From: ravidreams@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid
Hi,
I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out of Wikimania bid until next few years.
Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with specific goals like hackathons.
Ravi
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+1 to Pranav.
Pranav's text serves to remind us why an annual WikiConference India is a good idea. Now that we are mostly no longer thinking of Wikimania 2013, it is time to begin thinking of WikiConference 2012.
Can cities other than Mumbai & Pune please start considering on this issue as to whether they have the whereall for this event? We would naturally hope that cities having existing large community setups such as Bangalore may please consider.
Naturally, we may chose to do it simpler and easier than last year but if it is happen at all in this year, then by the end of February, a city community should volunteer. Else it may be difficult to do if there is a later start.
There is also a school of thought which feels that even WikiConference India should be once in two years.
What are your thoughts?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Agree and disagree.
Though WCI takes a lot of effort, yes, the results are for all of us to see. A new incubator has been initiated (Ahirani), there is talk of revival of other Indic pedias such as Kashmiri, several Photowalks, hackathons, Workshops and Academies have been held (or are being planned) in the last couple of months, COTM has been revived on en.wiki. Several people who came as attendees are now active members of the community. These are just some of the major happenings - When we came up with the idea, we never imagined this sort of impact. Each community seems to have taken a leaf out of anothers book. No one can take credit for this, it is just a result of mingling with one another. WCI was ridden with mistakes and severly short on manpower, but hey - it was our first attempt at anything like this and Im sure we did a decent job given the circumstances. Im also sure it is a lesson for the future, the start of a learning curve.
On the other hand, there need to be resources available to do it all over again. So, IMO if a certain local community anywhere in the country feels it can take it up, yes they should go ahead with another version in 2012 as hosting it on an annual basis will only take the event to the next level and give us exposure that no local event can give.
The only advice I can give to communities interested, dont think holding it is a cakewalk, horrendous things will happen and you will need to deal with them, be prepared to work your ass off (literally, 16 to 18 hours a day, 7 days a week), have atleast 5 people working on it full time and 20 people who can give atleast 5 hours a week to begin with and 10 hours a week in the last couple of months and be ready to face the worst with a brave face.
We will soon be coming out with our report on WCI 2011 and hope that it would help future organisers of similar events in their endevours.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:16:16 +0530 From: ravidreams@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid
Hi,
I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out of Wikimania bid until next few years.
Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with specific goals like hackathons.
Ravi
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Personally, I dont think Mumbai is in a position to do another one this year.
Also, imo, like Wikimania has an unofficial rotation policy wherein the event takes place in different continents each year, we should make sure that the locations are in different parts of the country to give everyone the opportunity and make sure its not the same people traveling long distances each time.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:03:59 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WCI 2012 (Was: REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid)
+1 to Pranav.
Pranav's text serves to remind us why an annual WikiConference India is a good idea. Now that we are mostly no longer thinking of Wikimania 2013, it is time to begin thinking of WikiConference 2012.
Can cities other than Mumbai & Pune please start considering on this issue as to whether they have the whereall for this event? We would naturally hope that cities having existing large community setups such as Bangalore may please consider.
Naturally, we may chose to do it simpler and easier than last year but if it is happen at all in this year, then by the end of February, a city community should volunteer. Else it may be difficult to do if there is a later start.
There is also a school of thought which feels that even WikiConference India should be once in two years.
What are your thoughts?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Agree and disagree.
Though WCI takes a lot of effort, yes, the results are for all of us to see. A new incubator has been initiated (Ahirani), there is talk of revival of other Indic pedias such as Kashmiri, several Photowalks, hackathons, Workshops and Academies have been held (or are being planned) in the last couple of months, COTM has been revived on en.wiki. Several people who came as attendees are now active members of the community. These are just some of the major happenings - When we came up with the idea, we never imagined this sort of impact. Each community seems to have taken a leaf out of anothers book. No one can take credit for this, it is just a result of mingling with one another. WCI was ridden with mistakes and severly short on manpower, but hey - it was our first attempt at anything like this and Im sure we did a decent job given the circumstances. Im also sure it is a lesson for the future, the start of a learning curve.
On the other hand, there need to be resources available to do it all over again. So, IMO if a certain local community anywhere in the country feels it can take it up, yes they should go ahead with another version in 2012 as hosting it on an annual basis will only take the event to the next level and give us exposure that no local event can give.
The only advice I can give to communities interested, dont think holding it is a cakewalk, horrendous things will happen and you will need to deal with them, be prepared to work your ass off (literally, 16 to 18 hours a day, 7 days a week), have atleast 5 people working on it full time and 20 people who can give atleast 5 hours a week to begin with and 10 hours a week in the last couple of months and be ready to face the worst with a brave face.
We will soon be coming out with our report on WCI 2011 and hope that it would help future organisers of similar events in their endevours.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:16:16 +0530 From: ravidreams@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid
Hi,
I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out of Wikimania bid until next few years.
Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with specific goals like hackathons.
Ravi
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Hello,
I suggest that we conduct WikiConference India 2012 @ some place on the east coast of India. Considering that WikiConference India 2011 was held @ West Coast (Mumbai), we can plan something in Orissa, West Bengal, Andra Pradesh , Tamil Nadu.
We can also have it like 2011 was in Bombay (notice B), 2012 can be in Calcutta (notice C), 2013 can be in Delhi (notice D) like B, C,D alphabetical order. I know A is missing... we can have sometime in Ahmedabad or Assam
It will be like we are following a fashion in organizaing events. Just my opinion.
Open for suggestions.
Regards, Ade.
On 25 January 2012 13:49, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Personally, I dont think Mumbai is in a position to do another one this year.
Also, imo, like Wikimania has an unofficial rotation policy wherein the event takes place in different continents each year, we should make sure that the locations are in different parts of the country to give everyone the opportunity and make sure its not the same people traveling long distances each time.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:03:59 +0530 From: ashwin.baindur@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WCI 2012 (Was: REMINDER: Wikimania 2013
- invitation to bid)
+1 to Pranav.
Pranav's text serves to remind us why an annual WikiConference India is a good idea. Now that we are mostly no longer thinking of Wikimania 2013, it is time to begin thinking of WikiConference 2012.
Can cities other than Mumbai & Pune please start considering on this issue as to whether they have the whereall for this event? We would naturally hope that cities having existing large community setups such as Bangalore may please consider.
Naturally, we may chose to do it simpler and easier than last year but if it is happen at all in this year, then by the end of February, a city community should volunteer. Else it may be difficult to do if there is a later start.
There is also a school of thought which feels that even WikiConference India should be once in two years.
What are your thoughts?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
Agree and disagree.
Though WCI takes a lot of effort, yes, the results are for all of us
to see.
A new incubator has been initiated (Ahirani), there is talk of revival
of
other Indic pedias such as Kashmiri, several Photowalks, hackathons, Workshops and Academies have been held (or are being planned) in the
last
couple of months, COTM has been revived on en.wiki. Several people who
came
as attendees are now active members of the community. These are just
some of
the major happenings - When we came up with the idea, we never
imagined this
sort of impact. Each community seems to have taken a leaf out of
anothers
book. No one can take credit for this, it is just a result of mingling
with
one another. WCI was ridden with mistakes and severly short on
manpower, but
hey - it was our first attempt at anything like this and Im sure we
did a
decent job given the circumstances. Im also sure it is a lesson for the future, the start of a learning curve.
On the other hand, there need to be resources available to do it all
over
again. So, IMO if a certain local community anywhere in the country
feels it
can take it up, yes they should go ahead with another version in 2012
as
hosting it on an annual basis will only take the event to the next
level and
give us exposure that no local event can give.
The only advice I can give to communities interested, dont think
holding it
is a cakewalk, horrendous things will happen and you will need to deal
with
them, be prepared to work your ass off (literally, 16 to 18 hours a
day, 7
days a week), have atleast 5 people working on it full time and 20
people
who can give atleast 5 hours a week to begin with and 10 hours a week
in the
last couple of months and be ready to face the worst with a brave face.
We will soon be coming out with our report on WCI 2011 and hope that it would help future organisers of similar events in their endevours.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:16:16 +0530 From: ravidreams@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania
2013 -
invitation to bid
Hi,
I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt
out of
Wikimania bid until next few years.
Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the
amount
of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is
strengthening
local communities in each language and city by means of more meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with specific
goals
like hackathons.
Ravi
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