This article in today's Times of India left me puzzled. This is not related to the Urdu wikipedia is it?
excerpt:
Mooted by the National Council for Promotion of Urdu Language (NCPUL),
instituted by the human resource development ministry, the project is likely to be up and running in June.
"We want to the young generation to be interested in Urdu literature and culture," Khwaja Mohammed Ekramuddin, NCPUL director, said.
The council will initially upload nine volumes of the Urdu encyclopedia that covers subjects ranging from arts, science, politics and culture. It also plans to place a team of people to edit and update comments posted on the Urdu Wiki.
Article: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Urdu-Wikipedia-to-be-...
2012/6/1 Arun Ganesh arun.planemad@gmail.com:
This article in today's Times of India left me puzzled. This is not related to the Urdu wikipedia is it?
Hmm, it's a curious article, but I'm as puzzled as you are.
Are they uploading an existing encyclopedia to Wikipedia? Are they creating a new site? Why is Pakistan ahead of India if it's the same language?
It's possible, of course, that the journalist who wrote the article didn't quite understand it himself. It happens very often...
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Amir, I didn't understand what you mean by Pakistan being ahead? Has Pakistan also taken up any govt-backed initiative for Urdu development?
Arun, this could be like what the K'taka govt tried with Kanaja.[1] Curiously, when it was released, the press said Kannada Wikipedia launched.[2]
2a: http://news.oneindia.in/2009/12/06/kannada-wikipedia-launched.html 2b: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcz-nkx5vrU
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
2012/6/1 Arun Ganesh arun.planemad@gmail.com:
This article in today's Times of India left me puzzled. This is not
related
to the Urdu wikipedia is it?
Hmm, it's a curious article, but I'm as puzzled as you are.
Are they uploading an existing encyclopedia to Wikipedia? Are they creating a new site? Why is Pakistan ahead of India if it's the same language?
It's possible, of course, that the journalist who wrote the article didn't quite understand it himself. It happens very often...
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2012/6/1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.ghoda@gmail.com:
Amir, I didn't understand what you mean by Pakistan being ahead? Has Pakistan also taken up any govt-backed initiative for Urdu development?
Well, the article says that "India has been so far left behind by Pakistan and other countries" and I really don't understand what does it mean in this context. Quite likely it just doesn't mean anything :)
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On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote:
This article in today's Times of India left me puzzled. This is not related to the Urdu wikipedia is it?
<snip>
Mooted by the National Council for Promotion of Urdu Language (NCPUL), instituted by the human resource development ministry, the project is likely to be up and running in June.
Article: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Urdu-Wikipedia-to-be-...
Shiju and I are meeting up with the National Council for Promotion of Urdu Language on Monday to understand this better and explore any opportunities that might be there. There have been attempts in the past to try and build a (similar-ish model) to Wikipedia (such as bharatpedia) - but we need to learn more about this particular initiative.
hisham
//The Urdu Wiki, its current tentative nomenclature, will work along the lines of Wikipedia allowing readers to edit and add comments.//
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate anything like encyclopaedia.
Ravi
On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
//The Urdu Wiki, its current tentative nomenclature, will work along the lines of Wikipedia allowing readers to edit and add comments.//
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate anything like encyclopaedia.
I suspect as much. ...but let's see how the meeting goes and if we can work out some form of mutually beneficial partnership.
hisham
Came across this article in Monday's DNA : http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_hindi-urdu-language-barrier-set-to-bre...
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_hindi-urdu-language-barrier-set-to-break_1697810Another effort for propagation of Urdu work among Hindi and Urdu literature fans and vice-versa. Can they be tapped for propagating their efforts through Wiki ?
Regards, Nikita.
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
//The Urdu Wiki, its current tentative nomenclature, will work along the lines of Wikipedia allowing readers to edit and add comments.//
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate anything like encyclopaedia.
I suspect as much. ...but let's see how the meeting goes and if we can work out some form of mutually beneficial partnership.
hisham
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On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com wrote:
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate anything like encyclopaedia.
Point of order:
Wiki is a generic name. Wikipedia is not. It is a registered trademark. Using it as a common/genericized term would be incorrect,and is something that we fight regularly, legally. :)
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Hey folks,
Here's another similar story in today's Indian Express: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urd... There was supposed to be a meeting on Monday with the director concerned, but it had to be rescheduled. We'll keep you posted on the developments after the meeting.
Best, Noopur
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Philippe Beaudette philippe@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com wrote:
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate anything like encyclopaedia.
Point of order:
Wiki is a generic name. Wikipedia is not. It is a registered trademark. Using it as a common/genericized term would be incorrect,and is something that we fight regularly, legally. :)
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415-839-6885, x 6643
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Noopur Raval nraval@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey folks,
Here's another similar story in today's Indian Express: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urd... There was supposed to be a meeting on Monday with the director concerned, but it had to be rescheduled. We'll keep you posted on the developments after the meeting.
So the government has labeled the Urdu wikipedia as propaganda by Pakistan. It seems possible that most of the Urdu community are predominately from Pakistan and bias could have crept in to the articles. I'm curious to know what the actual status is?
Best, Noopur
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Philippe Beaudette <philippe@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com wrote:
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate anything like encyclopaedia.
Point of order:
Wiki is a generic name. Wikipedia is not. It is a registered trademark. Using it as a common/genericized term would be incorrect,and is something that we fight regularly, legally. :)
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415-839-6885, x 6643
philippe@wikimedia.org
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On 5 June 2012 14:50, Noopur Raval nraval@wikimedia.org wrote:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urd...
"In Wikipedia, information contributed is vetted for authenticity by experts; we will do the same to ensure that information provided to the public is a rich database free of prejudice and misinformation"
Say what?
Why don't they just fork the existing Urdu Wikipedia and fix it? Makes no sense to throw it *all* out. Then again, the Government oh so does love reinventing the wheel.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
Seeing the recent state of affairs wrt Internet and information, I think the Government of India WOULD want to create a 'new' Urdu project where they CAN have control over what goes on and what doesn't.
-- Srikanth
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.org wrote:
On 5 June 2012 14:50, Noopur Raval nraval@wikimedia.org wrote:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urd...
"In Wikipedia, information contributed is vetted for authenticity by experts; we will do the same to ensure that information provided to the public is a rich database free of prejudice and misinformation"
Say what?
Why don't they just fork the existing Urdu Wikipedia and fix it? Makes no sense to throw it *all* out. Then again, the Government oh so does love reinventing the wheel.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.ghoda@gmail.com> wrote:
Seeing the recent state of affairs wrt Internet and information, I think the Government of India WOULD want to create a 'new' Urdu project where they CAN have control over what goes on and what doesn't.
And unless wikipedia itself is blocked (which I doubt if it ever will), all their efforts at containing information are useless.
-- Srikanth
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Gautam John gautam@prathambooks.orgwrote:
On 5 June 2012 14:50, Noopur Raval nraval@wikimedia.org wrote:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urd...
"In Wikipedia, information contributed is vetted for authenticity by experts; we will do the same to ensure that information provided to the public is a rich database free of prejudice and misinformation"
Say what?
Why don't they just fork the existing Urdu Wikipedia and fix it? Makes no sense to throw it *all* out. Then again, the Government oh so does love reinventing the wheel.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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