Thanks, Tinu. I generally agree with you. Except that I never tried to
tell anyone about what they ought to be doing as a volunteer and what not.
There is a simple distinction between staff/consultants and volunteers as
is evident from conventional usage across the Wikimedia universe. The only
reference I made was to paid work done under the purview of contractual
assignment with the Foundation, anything outside done in individual
capacity and outside of working hours is still that of a volunteer.
Also, as long as I am not signing off with my official credentials at the
end of the email, I am only expressing personal opinion. For instance, I
wouldn't claim that Shiju's indisposition towards me is the official stance
of his employer.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
<tinucherian(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Dear Anirudh & Shiju,
I would strongly dispose this as NOT the official position of the chapter.
I have a different opinion but again I won't attribute to the chapter.
What I say below is my personal opinion.
Just because someone decides to work full time ( and paid too) doesn't
mean it ceases to do anything as a volunteer.
If someone is not able to spend the same extent of time to the movement as
a volunteer, there is their own problem. Nobody is going to ask anyone why
you are not doing your job as a volunteer. I have a high pressured day job
to keep and family & friends to take care, and I do my volunteer work with
the limited time , it is my choice. If I decide to work as full time as a
paid staff ( for the same movement), I don't need advise from someone else
to tell me what I should be doing as a volunteer and what I should not !
On a very hypothetical case, if you were working on a legal position for
WMF India, would you like someone to define that what your volunteer work
should be ?
As I clearly explained earlier, many a times, due to nature of our
involvement with the movement, it is practically separate whether we does
something as a volunteer, chapter member or chapter board member or even
foundation staff.
Pranav and Pradeep were working on a Foundation paid Fellowship for an
event like WikiConference that was supported by Community and conducted on
the banner of the Wikimedia India Chapter. Both are chapter members and
leaders ( as well as community members). Where does the work for the
Conference end as a Foundation full time Fellow end and where does it start
as community or chapter member?
Everyone is encouraged to volunteer for the chapter , regardless of what
his or her day job is. There is nothing that prevents even a foundation
staff or contractor even being the board member of the chapter , less alone
any volunteer or member. There are several Wikimedia chapters in the world
who has paid and full time staff working for them. The Secretary (
volunteer) of the Dutch chapter is also a Foundation Full time Contractor.
Hope that clarifies
-TC
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Shiju Alex
<shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I am replying to this mail as a *Malayalam
wikimedia community member*.
Fact: Subhashish, *former volunteer*, and now paid consultant with
India Programs.
What do you mean by this? I Shiju Alex is a Indic language wikipedian
now close to 6 years. According to Mr. Anirudh (an EC member of India
chapter) I am a former volunteer. is this is the official position of
wikimedia India chapter? As a community member I require an explanation for
this.
Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid
contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do within the purview of
your contractual relationship with the Foundation will be work as a paid
contractor and cannot be deemed to be the same as a volunteer. You can
continue being volunteers once your contractual assignment is complete. Is
that so difficult to understand?
The difference is this: I am an unpaid volunteer who cannot expend the
same amount of time and energy towards our projects as you are currently
able to.
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