Vickram, while I agree with you my point was something
else. What I
meant to say was that if you add a source, you make your point, you're
being neutral, and thus what you're doing is factually correct.
On 07/12/2011, Vickram Crishna<vvcrishna(a)radiophony.com> wrote:
> Exactly my point. I suspect that the addition of a line referring to the
> current controversy, where the hashtag #IdiotKapilSibal has been trending,
> and to quote some of the numbers over time during this crisis, would not be
> out of place.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
> <tinucherian(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>
>> Adding "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" on the Wikipedia article is vandalism
>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysub…
>>
>>
>> Addling "verifiable facts" is acceptable ( including controversies and
>> criticism"
>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysub…
>>
>>
>> Hope I clarified the difference.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tinu Cherian
>>
>> P.S. On a lighter note, Please feel to add "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" ,
if
>> you can provide/prove that with "Verifiable references" from
"Reliable
>> Sources" :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna
>> <vvcrishna(a)radiophony.com>wrote;wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, the mention of 'idiot' on that page is vandalism (no, I
haven't done
>>> it - yet)? I thought we had a very interesting discussion about current
>>> affairs at WikiConf where there seemed to be a consensus that presenting
>>> every side of the picture is important.
>>>
>>> Is reporting the fact that major websites like
Kafila.org and literally
>>> hundreds or thousands of Twitter users are tweeting the hashtag
>>> #IdiotKapilSibal wrong, in that case?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, CherianTinu Abraham<
>>> tinucherian(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a related note, this has appeared on *The Economic Times* :
>>>>
>>>> " Five reasons why India can't censor the Internet"
>>>>
>>>>
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/five-reasons-why-india-ca…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "*Yes, Internet content has the permanence and public-impact
potential
>>>> that a phone call does not, but equally, it lends itself brilliantly to
>>>> self-regulation. *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *3. Peer review works: Wikipedia is the best example. Who could have
>>>> imagined that a user-created encyclopedia could be so objective, and
>>>> comprehensive? Yes, anyone can go in and edit anything (barring entries
>>>> like "Kapil Sibal", which have been locked due to vandalism!).
*
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *If you make an inappropriate change, someone will come in and correct
>>>> it.* "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tinu Cherian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan<
>>>> parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is basically restriction of freedom of expression and it will
>>>>> hurt Wikipedia much more than it hurts Twitter or Facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/12/2011, Srikanth Lakshmanan<srik.lak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:06, Achal
Prabhala<aprabhala(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> fyi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil
Sibal Wants
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Censor
>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:02:10 +0530
>>>>>>> From: Achal Prabhala<aprabhala(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<
>>>>>>> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just want to write that there was a community member who seemed
to
>>>>> be of
>>>>>> the notion ImageFilter is the technical fix for what Kapil Sibal
is
>>>>>> proposing(without probably understanding / knowing much) and
>>>>> connecting the
>>>>>> two distinct things. Yes Sibal showed some images as examples for
his
>>>>>> support, but what Sibal means is much more and prescreening of
every
>>>>> byte
>>>>>> of user generated content. Please tell that member that linking
up 2
>>>>>> different things is not a good idea. ImageFilter needs to be
>>>>> discussed with
>>>>>> its own merits / demerits and this thing that Sibal proposes
means
>>>>> much
>>>>>> more than images.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If at all the legislation comes and is being enforced, I think
>>>>> Wikimedia
>>>>>> projects are better equipped *technically* than other social
media
>>>>> sites
>>>>>> cited to support the local laws(so that we need not be banned if
that
>>>>> goes
>>>>>> to that extreme) with a combination of ImageFilter /
FlaggedRevisions
>>>>> and
>>>>>> some more customizations, but thats not where we would like to
go.
>>>>>> Community is already not so strong and needs support, there is
so
>>>>> much work
>>>>>> to do in increasing content, censorship will cripple Indian
community
>>>>> if
>>>>>> such a thing happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are many questions that the communities need to decide as
to
>>>>> submit
>>>>>> to Indian laws (if at all they come through) and I hope the
situation
>>>>> does
>>>>>> not arise for us to take those tough calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS : I would not like to post / join foundation-l myself since it
has
>>>>> high
>>>>>> SNR IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Srikanth.L
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>>>>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>>>
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