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RE: 文字化け対策委員会 vol.1
by X_m Sushisushi 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

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文字化け翻訳委員会 vol.1
by Noda, Kentaro 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

私 Sushisushi と野田憲太郎氏とは全くの別人物です。自分たちが多重アカウントを悪用してると他の人も・・・と思いたくなるのかもしれませんが、野田憲太郎氏は、私のメールが不自然に文字化けメールになったのを助けてくれただけです。決してお間違えなきよう。どうして、人の親切・助け合いということすら、ここの「管理者」連は全然理解できないんでしょうかねぇ・・・。とにかく、野田憲太郎氏の親切を自分たちに都合が悪いからというような感じだけでこれ以上あべこべに叩かないでください。 ---------------------------------------------------------- 保存書庫は、案の定文字化けのオンパレードでしたので Sushisushiさんの一通目のみ再送信させていただきます。

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RE: 文字化け対策委員会 vol.4
by X_m Sushisushi 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

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RE: 文字化け対策委員会 vol.3
by X_m Sushisushi 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

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by X_m Sushisushi 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

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Re: [WikiJA-l] 60k 制限なんて最初にやるからでしょ
by Noda, Kentaro 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

いま送ったメールはね他社の発言引用がGMAILでは横の傍線で出てきて GMAIL上では、引用が正確に表示された。（非常に綺麗）これがhotmailだとその引用は>で表示されるのだが >のつけ忘れが二箇所見つかる書庫にも、付け忘れた形で表示される。やっぱ、おかしいじゃんか。発言改竄をやるスクリプトがあるよね。認めたほうがいいよ。今のうちに。ちゃんとJPG保存しておくので。 http://up2.viploader.net/pic2/src/viploaderf96375.jpg Gmail で配信されたメール http://up2.viploader.net/pic2/src/viploaderf96376.jpg 書庫表示 http://up2.viploader.net/pic2/src/viploaderf96377.jpg WindowsLiveMail で配信されたメール引用表示が異なるのは、何で？ KN

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追加された問題点
by Noda, Kentaro 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

あと、言い忘れたんだけど送った文面と、微妙に改行位置が異なるんだよ。こうやって、送ると問題はないかもしれない。でも、長文書き込みを行うユーザーは、バイトいくらかのずれが生じてる。恐らくはクレーマー対策なんだろうけど、本当のことを言うクレーマーまで迫害するのはどうかな？これも、MLとは思えないくらいおかしいよね。いじってるよね。確実に。 KN

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また思い出したように、新しいユーザーさんが出てくる。
by Noda, Kentaro 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

こんなタイミングで出てくるのは、 MIXIのコミュと一緒だよね。私だけじゃなくて、他の利用者さんのメールが文字化けしているのは一大事なんじゃないんですか？ちゃんとnabbleでは読めるのに、保存書庫そのものが読めないのは、欠陥と言われても仕方がないよね。書庫で文字化けして、配信されたメールでは化けていないというのは、どういうことなの？単純に訴訟対策でしょ。もっとも私の場合は、配信されたメールすらぐちゃぐちゃに化けていたけれどね。いっとくけど、いまさら１００Kに制限を引き上げたところで信用は取り返せないよ。その引き上げも２ちゃんで発表するのが先で当該MLは後回しとはどういうことですかね。 KN

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60k制限なんて最初にやるからでしょ
by Noda, Kentaro 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

http://www.nabble.com/-tf2784292.html ↑ 上のリンクでは問題なく読めるのに、書庫で文字化けする理由は何でなの？まずそれに答えないと。 KN

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該当スレッド
by Noda, Kentaro 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

http://hobby8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/hobby/1165479110 このスレッドのね 965 Name： Los688 ◆JCs6MMqzYc [sage] Date： 2006/12/10(日) 00:46:26 ID: ??? メーリングリスト@jawikiの投稿規制バイト数を100KBに引き上げてみました。ここね。そういうことはMLで回覧させるのが常識では？ KN

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