When an article is moved a Redirect is made at the original location.
Wouldn't it be good if there would be an exception when article is moved to User page space or Wikipedia: space (or Wikinews, Wikiquote...)
Some articles proposed for deletetion don't get deleted, but are moved to the User:MyName/TheUndeletedArticle This leaves the redirect page at TheUndeletedArticle, which should be deleted, but it sometimes isn't. Samesituation when SomeWikipediaPolicy is moved to Wikipedia:SomeWikipediaPolicy
This is bigger problem on smaller Wikipedias and smaller projects, then on major Wikipedias.
Many articles that should be deleted are still there throug the redirects Page => User:Me/Page, instead of being red links.
On 29/03/07, Milan Tešović milant@cg.yu wrote:
When an article is moved a Redirect is made at the original location.
Wouldn't it be good if there would be an exception when article is moved to User page space or Wikipedia: space (or Wikinews, Wikiquote...)
Some articles proposed for deletetion don't get deleted, but are moved to the User:MyName/TheUndeletedArticle This leaves the redirect page at TheUndeletedArticle, which should be deleted, but it sometimes isn't. Samesituation when SomeWikipediaPolicy is moved to Wikipedia:SomeWikipediaPolicy
This is bigger problem on smaller Wikipedias and smaller projects, then on major Wikipedias.
Many articles that should be deleted are still there throug the redirects Page => User:Me/Page, instead of being red links.
It isn't difficult to delete the redirect. I think it's better to keep it as it is - for example, it allows the admin to leave the redirect there for a couple of days so as not to have redlinks in the deletion debate while people may still be interested in it.
Redirect ARE easy to delete. But allready with Wikipedias with under 50.000 articles you have some/many unexperienced admistrators who leave these links behind. Besides you said that leaving these redirects can be usefull. Can it? Is it realy good that when you click a link you get an article that is deleted (moving to user space is not an alternative to deletion, it is being done only for article that admin wants to delete, or articles that were voted for deletion).
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dalton" thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Auto created redirects
On 29/03/07, Milan Tešović milant@cg.yu wrote:
When an article is moved a Redirect is made at the original location.
Wouldn't it be good if there would be an exception when article is moved to User page space or Wikipedia: space (or Wikinews, Wikiquote...)
Some articles proposed for deletetion don't get deleted, but are moved to the User:MyName/TheUndeletedArticle This leaves the redirect page at TheUndeletedArticle, which should be deleted, but it sometimes isn't. Samesituation when SomeWikipediaPolicy is moved to Wikipedia:SomeWikipediaPolicy
This is bigger problem on smaller Wikipedias and smaller projects, then on major Wikipedias.
Many articles that should be deleted are still there throug the redirects Page => User:Me/Page, instead of being red links.
It isn't difficult to delete the redirect. I think it's better to keep it as it is - for example, it allows the admin to leave the redirect there for a couple of days so as not to have redlinks in the deletion debate while people may still be interested in it. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Redirect ARE easy to delete. But allready with Wikipedias with under 50.000 articles you have some/many unexperienced admistrators who leave these links behind. Besides you said that leaving these redirects can be usefull. Can it? Is it realy good that when you click a link you get an article that is deleted (moving to user space is not an alternative to deletion, it is being done only for article that admin wants to delete, or articles that were voted for deletion).
You may be right... they aren't useful very often, and your point about inexperienced admins is a good one...
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
Redirect ARE easy to delete. But allready with Wikipedias with under 50.000 articles you have some/many unexperienced admistrators who leave these links behind. Besides you said that leaving these redirects can be usefull. Can it? Is it realy good that when you click a link you get an article that is deleted (moving to user space is not an alternative to deletion, it is being done only for article that admin wants to delete, or articles that were voted for deletion).
You may be right... they aren't useful very often, and your point about inexperienced admins is a good one...
The redirects are always useful -- they allow links to the old title to continue to function.
Removing them without a very good reason is saying "hello, everyone using or linking to my site, I HATE YOU! I WANT TO HURT YOU! I DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING ON MY SITE! I HOPE YOU DIE!"
That's not being a good web citizen.
Leave the redirects in place when moving pages, ALWAYS. Removing them is vandalism.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
Just a curiosity ... is it possible to not have the "Redirected from xxx " displayed under the new page's title when a page has been moved?
-Jim
-----Original Message----- From: Brion Vibber [mailto:brion@wikimedia.org] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:40 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Auto created redirects
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
Redirect ARE easy to delete. But allready with Wikipedias with under 50.000 articles you have some/many unexperienced admistrators who leave these links behind. Besides you said that leaving these redirects can be usefull. Can it? Is it realy good that when you click a link you get an article that is deleted (moving to user space is not an alternative to deletion, it is being done only for article that admin wants to delete, or articles that were voted for deletion).
You may be right... they aren't useful very often, and your point about inexperienced admins is a good one...
The redirects are always useful -- they allow links to the old title to continue to function.
Removing them without a very good reason is saying "hello, everyone using or linking to my site, I HATE YOU! I WANT TO HURT YOU! I DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING ON MY SITE! I HOPE YOU DIE!"
That's not being a good web citizen.
Leave the redirects in place when moving pages, ALWAYS. Removing them is vandalism.
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Just a curiosity ... is it possible to not have the "Redirected from xxx " displayed under the new page's title when a page has been moved?
Yes. Edit [[MediaWiki:Redirectedfrom]] so that it just contains " " (ie. a single non-breaking space). From my quick tests, a completely blank page, or a page with a regular space is ignored and the default is shown, but a non-breaking space seems to work.
On 29/03/07, Milan Tešović milant@cg.yu wrote:
Redirect ARE easy to delete. But allready with Wikipedias with under 50.000 articles you have some/many unexperienced admistrators who leave these links behind. Besides you said that leaving these redirects can be usefull. Can it? Is it realy good that when you click a link you get an article that is deleted (moving to user space is not an alternative to deletion, it is being done only for article that admin wants to delete, or articles that were voted for deletion).
There's an open bug to allow supression of redirect creation during page moves. It keeps escaping my radar, but either myself or somebody will track it down and beat the living crap out of it soon.
Rob Church
This would however be useful on small or private wikis where redirects are rarely used. I would use this on most of my own, for example. Robert.
On 29/03/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/03/07, Milan Tešović milant@cg.yu wrote:
When an article is moved a Redirect is made at the original location.
Wouldn't it be good if there would be an exception when article is moved to User page space or Wikipedia: space (or Wikinews, Wikiquote...)
Some articles proposed for deletetion don't get deleted, but are moved to the User:MyName/TheUndeletedArticle This leaves the redirect page at TheUndeletedArticle, which should be deleted, but it sometimes isn't. Samesituation when SomeWikipediaPolicy is moved to Wikipedia:SomeWikipediaPolicy
This is bigger problem on smaller Wikipedias and smaller projects, then on major Wikipedias.
Many articles that should be deleted are still there throug the redirects Page => User:Me/Page, instead of being red links.
It isn't difficult to delete the redirect. I think it's better to keep it as it is - for example, it allows the admin to leave the redirect there for a couple of days so as not to have redlinks in the deletion debate while people may still be interested in it. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
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