The high moral standards of the MediaWiki community appeals to me. There is a general believe these standards are higher then in "the outside world".
As within any community some persons do not act as they preach. Especially with larger communities this is unfortunately normal. So this also may (might) happen within the MW community.
This question seems abstract but seems to me to have practical consequences. I would like to keep this discussion abstract to processes and not to specific situations or persons. Which would only create confusion.
In the end of course the result of this discussion can be used as reference to be implemented.
How the community act if our high moral standards are abused? Block legal authorities because these authorities can not fulfil our high level of moral standards?
With regards,
Bernard
On 28 May 2010 10:09, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
The high moral standards of the MediaWiki community appeals to me. There is a general believe these standards are higher then in "the outside world".
Counterexample: PHP.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
On 28 May 2010 10:09, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
The high moral standards of the MediaWiki community appeals to me. There is a general believe these standards are higher then in "the outside world".
Counterexample: PHP.
- d.
David, could be less brief? Then it is more easy to respond.
With regards,
Bernard
Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
On 28 May 2010 10:09, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
The high moral standards of the MediaWiki community appeals to me. There is a general believe these standards are higher then in "the outside world".
Counterexample: PHP.
- d.
David, could be less brief? Then it is more easy to respond.
Yes, please elaborate!
Cheers, Rob.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
How the community act if our high moral standards are abused? Block legal authorities because these authorities can not fulfil our high level of moral standards?
With regards,
Bernard
What legal authorities and what moral standards would they violate WRT mediawiki? Not following the GPL? That's about all I can think of unless you're confusing wikipedia, mediawiki, and wikimedia. IMO this question is more appropriate directed at a specific project rather then at the people writing the software.
I am not from the list admin team bur I think the proposed subject fits entirely this mailing list. Exclusively Tech matters should go to tech list, which is not this case. Att, Nevio
2010/5/28 OQ overlordq@gmail.com
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
How the community act if our high moral standards are abused? Block legal authorities because these authorities can not fulfil our high level of moral standards?
With regards,
Bernard
What legal authorities and what moral standards would they violate WRT mediawiki? Not following the GPL? That's about all I can think of unless you're confusing wikipedia, mediawiki, and wikimedia. IMO this question is more appropriate directed at a specific project rather then at the people writing the software.
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On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:34 AM, nevio carlos de alarcão nevinhoalarcao@gmail.com wrote:
I am not from the list admin team bur I think the proposed subject fits entirely this mailing list. Exclusively Tech matters should go to tech list, which is not this case. Att, Nevio
Yes, but this isn't a software question either, it's a community interaction issue.
who the fuckare u people that keep comming ontomy email stop this shit i amtired of youpeople sending me your crap i will report you to microsoft stop
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:52:28 -0500 From: overlordq@gmail.com To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Moral standards
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:34 AM, nevio carlos de alarcão nevinhoalarcao@gmail.com wrote:
I am not from the list admin team bur I think the proposed subject fits entirely this mailing list. Exclusively Tech matters should go to tech list, which is not this case. Att, Nevio
Yes, but this isn't a software question either, it's a community interaction issue.
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On 18 June 2010 07:34, Ronis s crusinnett@hotmail.com wrote:
who the fuckare u people that keep comming ontomy email stop this shit i amtired of youpeople sending me your crap i will report you to microsoft stop
OK, that message makes the entire thread suddenly worthwhile.
- d.
+1
On 18 June 2010 13:25, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 June 2010 07:34, Ronis s crusinnett@hotmail.com wrote:
who the fuckare u people that keep comming ontomy email stop this shit i
amtired of youpeople sending me your crap i will report you to microsoft stop
OK, that message makes the entire thread suddenly worthwhile.
- d.
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Hi all,
Nevio -- I'm not a list admin team either, but I am with OQ. It isn't a matter of whether a discussion doesn't belong on list X, then it must go to Y. In order for it to be relative to both X or Y, it should be about the software. How the software is used and the philosophy behind it falls outside of all of the Mediawiki mailing lists (it seems after a quick glance).
Another point is that the mediawiki-l list description falls under "Help & info for system administrators" and below that, the comment "If you are having difficulty with your own installation of MediaWiki, then this is the place to ask for help."
Perhaps it is just unfortunate that wikipedia, wikimedia, and mediawiki (especially the last 2) have similar names. The last one is the software; the first two are two cases of how they are used, which are perhaps interesting to talk about elsewhere.
Of course, if you (or Bernard) see some relevance in the question that I have failed to see, please let me know...
Ray
nevio carlos de alarcão wrote:
I am not from the list admin team bur I think the proposed subject fits entirely this mailing list. Exclusively Tech matters should go to tech list, which is not this case. Att, Nevio
2010/5/28 OQ overlordq@gmail.com
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
How the community act if our high moral standards are abused? Block legal authorities because these authorities can not fulfil our high level of moral standards?
With regards,
Bernard
What legal authorities and what moral standards would they violate WRT mediawiki? Not following the GPL? That's about all I can think of unless you're confusing wikipedia, mediawiki, and wikimedia. IMO this question is more appropriate directed at a specific project rather then at the people writing the software.
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Of course, if you (or Bernard) see some relevance in the question that I have failed to see, please let me know...
Dear, I see your point. However I think we are a community either and, and from this point of view, I think we should address this subject. Respectfully
2010/5/28 Raymond Wan r.wan@aist.go.jp
Hi all,
Nevio -- I'm not a list admin team either, but I am with OQ. It isn't a matter of whether a discussion doesn't belong on list X, then it must go to Y. In order for it to be relative to both X or Y, it should be about the software. How the software is used and the philosophy behind it falls outside of all of the Mediawiki mailing lists (it seems after a quick glance).
Another point is that the mediawiki-l list description falls under "Help & info for system administrators" and below that, the comment "If you are having difficulty with your own installation of MediaWiki, then this is the place to ask for help."
Perhaps it is just unfortunate that wikipedia, wikimedia, and mediawiki (especially the last 2) have similar names. The last one is the software; the first two are two cases of how they are used, which are perhaps interesting to talk about elsewhere.
Of course, if you (or Bernard) see some relevance in the question that I have failed to see, please let me know...
Ray
nevio carlos de alarcão wrote:
I am not from the list admin team bur I think the proposed subject fits entirely this mailing list. Exclusively Tech matters should go to tech
list,
which is not this case. Att, Nevio
2010/5/28 OQ overlordq@gmail.com
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Bernard@bernardHulsman.nl bernard@bernardhulsman.nl wrote:
How the community act if our high moral standards are abused? Block legal authorities because these authorities can not fulfil our high level of moral standards?
With regards,
Bernard
What legal authorities and what moral standards would they violate WRT mediawiki? Not following the GPL? That's about all I can think of unless you're confusing wikipedia, mediawiki, and wikimedia. IMO this question is more appropriate directed at a specific project rather then at the people writing the software.
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
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nevio carlos de alarcão wrote:
Of course, if you (or Bernard) see some relevance in the question that I have failed to see, please let me know...
Dear, I see your point. However I think we are a community either and, and from this point of view, I think we should address this subject. Respectfully
Nevio -- you are right that we should discuss such topics since we are part of the community. What I am trying to say is that there are other venues (other mailing lists) to talk about them.
Unwillingness to talk about such topics *here* does not imply we never want to talk about them. It is only about keeping mailing lists on-topic.
And there is no such thing as "just once" because it will happen again and again (second time in recent memory, actually...).
Ray
nevio carlos de alarcão wrote:
Of course, if you (or Bernard) see some relevance in the question that I have failed to see, please let me know...
Dear, I see your point. However I think we are a community either and, and from this point of view, I think we should address this subject. Respectfully
2010/5/28 Raymond Wan r.wan@aist.go.jp
Thanks all for responding. It is indeed about the community. And I do agree Wikipedia, Wikimedia and MediaWiki are different although close related. The subject is not about Wikipedia. On Wikipedia there is a well structured procedures, even some automated implemented, about moral standards and how to act if they are abused. If we didn't have them for Wikipedia, the content of Wikipedia could not have been close to the quality we have now.
It is about the community with different actors in it. If we are able to define moral standards and how to act if abused I think the quality of the community and the pleasure working in it will increase.
With regards,
Bernard
Greetings All,
Is this the right list for discussing this issue? Somehow, an open discussion of community ethics doesn't seem relevant to "MediaWiki announcements and site admin".
I'm new here, so maybe I just don't know that the list has strayed from its stated purpose (and everyone is OK with this.)
When we do find the right list for the discussion, I'm happy to pitch in some thoughts on the matter.
Cheers! --zak
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