Re: [Mediawiki-l] Meaningful stats for MediaWiki

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Re: Meaningful stats for MediaWiki (Matthias Korn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:04:59 -0700 From: Brion Vibber &lt;brion(a)wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Using export/import instead of upgrading To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list &lt;mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Message-ID: &lt;4903D04B.1050001(a)wikimedia.org&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jan Steinman wrote: 1) Back up your database 2) Grab the current code and put it in place of your old code 3) Follow the upgrade instructions. The updater should update the database automatically from any MediaWiki installation version 1.2 or later. The one serious exception to this is that installations from prior to 1.5 which used Latin-1 encoding instead of UTF-8 may require a separate character set conversion first. (To add a little to the confusion, this issue is dependent on the $wgUseLatin1 config variable in your LocalSettings.php, _not_ the "character set" setting on MySQL.) Otherwise, there are no *known* problems that should prevent you from upgrading directly from 1.3 to 1.13, as long as your PHP, MySQL etc are current. If you actually do encounter an error while following the standard upgrade procedure, we want to find out about it so we can fix it! Please save the *exact output* from the updater *at the time you first ran it*, which should show any error conditions encountered during the update. And don't forget to back everything up first. ;) - -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:06:16 +1100 From: Tim Starling &lt;tstarling(a)wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Using export/import instead of upgrading To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;ge0jap$7hg$1(a)ger.gmane.org&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jan Steinman wrote: > I believe the OP suggested export/import because they had fallen way > behind, and lacked confidence in an upgrade process that is generally > designed for Wikipedia's needs of strictly sequential incremental > upgrades. > I am in the same situation, running 1.3. Short of upgrading to 1.4, > then 1.5, then 1.6... I don't believe this posting really addresses > strategies for someone who is way behind to "catch up." The further > you are behind, the more likely something will break, no matter how > carefully one follows the instructions for upgrading from 1.13.1 to > 1.13.2. I put the answer to this question in the upgrade FAQ, and since then I've answered it about another 5 times on mediawiki-l. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Upgrading I don't know how many more times I'm going to have to say it. Upgrades for 1.3 to 1.13 were tested automatically prior to the release of 1.13 using an automated upgrade test: < http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/release-tools/upgradeTest.p… There are no open bug reports regarding upgrading from 1.3 to 1.13. The vast majority of reports indicate that it works just fine. Upgrading may take a long time. Back up your wiki in case the upgrade script is aborted halfway through and leaves your wiki in an intermediate state. The upgrade script is inherently incremental. The updaters.inc file has a large list of database operations which have been steadily accumulating since the first MediaWiki release. They are run in the order in which they were added. Occasionally obsolete or redundant upgrades are removed. So running each upgrader in turn is effectively equivalent to running the most recent one. Some of the old upgraders had bugs. We fixed them in later major releases. If you run the old upgraders, you risk encountering unfixed bugs in them. Old upgraders are not supported and we will ignore bug reports against them. If you encounter a bug when upgrading directly from 1.3 to 1.13, we will fix it. If you encounter a bug when upgrading from 1.3 to 1.4, we will ignore you. -- Tim Starling ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:29:21 +1100 From: Tim Starling &lt;tstarling(a)wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Using export/import instead of upgrading To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;ge0km2$9up$1(a)ger.gmane.org&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Daniel Friesen &lt;dan_the_man(a)telus.net&gt; >> >> People complain about issues cause they don't follow instructions... > (Much good advice about how to do incremental upgrades clipped...) >> Remember Wikipedia? Wikimedia runs off MediaWiki and is being >> constantly >> upgraded. If the upgrade process wasn't handled right then you'd see >> Wikipedia broken all the time. > I believe the OP suggested export/import because they had fallen way > behind, and lacked confidence in an upgrade process that is generally > designed for Wikipedia's needs of strictly sequential incremental > upgrades. One more thing: the upgrader is NOT used by Wikimedia and is not designed for it. We've never run the upgrader on Wikimedia while I've been around. The upgrader is designed for small wikis and is aimed at a general non-technical user audience. To upgrade Wikimedia wikis, we run the SQL patch files directly, or write special replication-friendly scripts. We aim for at most a few minutes of read-only time even for a huge wiki like the English Wikipedia, and that goal sometimes requires quite a bit of planning and effort to achieve. -- Tim Starling ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:10:45 +1000 From: "K. Peachey" &lt;p858snake(a)yahoo.com.au&gt; Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Upgrading to current release (Skins question) To: "---, Mailing List: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" &lt;mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Message-ID: &lt;4c103ee70810252010l4a3b8a1p9dde87d6a407a952(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm planning on upgrading from a fairly old install (pre 1.11.0) and we have a skin coded/based on the default monobook, will we need anything to make this compatible with the latest install? -Peachey ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:59:52 +0100 From: Matthias Korn &lt;matsch(a)rockinchina.com&gt; Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Meaningful stats for MediaWiki To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;20081026115952.72f42046(a)ThinkOfMe.binaervarianz.de&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, I tried FireStats now. It doesn't really provide anything I didn't already know. What is everyone using for their statistic needs? Maybe their is a possibility to exploit the Extra Section feature of AWStats!? Regards, matsch Am Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:02:12 +0200 schrieb Matthias Korn &lt;matsch(a)rockinchina.com&gt;om>: > Hi all, > what is a good approach for meaningful MediaWiki statistics? > They should show which pages are accessed frequently and over time, > maybe also edits and everything else relevant to a MediaWiki > installation. > Normal log file analysers don't cope with particularities of > MediaWiki. > I saw this extension, but from the demo it doesn't look very > promising: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:FireStats > Thanks, > matsch -- Rock in China http://wiki.rockinchina.com/ http://www.rockinchina.com/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 46 *******************************************