MediaWiki-l December 2015

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issue with main_page
by Agnese Camellini 09 Dec '15

09 Dec '15

Hello, i'm a newbie to mediawiki development and i'm starting from scratch. I've installed mediawiki in my server (apache 2.4) in the local machine and everything was working fine.. Well then i've messed a little bit up with my virtualhost and documentroot, and i moved the documentroot to my home directory to be able to use eclipse for development BUT then, when i tried to run the mediawiki index page again i got a 404 error: 127.0.0.1 - - [05/Dec/2015:06:16:23 +0100] "GET /project/Wiki/index.php/Main_Page HTTP/1.1" 404 244 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0" The error doesn't explain much at all but from what i've done before i suspect i should get the problem. I've read all the configuration file used in the wiki but i don't understand why this is happening in practice and how to solve it. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance. Agnese

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?
by Mickey Feldman 09 Dec '15

09 Dec '15

I'm not sure that what you describe is what I've experienced. We were (are still) running MW 1.21.1 with PHP 5.3.29. Our host upgraded to PHP 5.5 as default, and will soon discontinue support for PHP5.3. MW 1.21 was advertised as "requires PHP5.3 or higher". I took that to mean PHP5.5 would not cause any problems. As soon as the switchover happened, we had a screen full of error messages rather than wiki pages. I set the .htaccess to use PHP 5.3, and we now have a functioning wiki again. However, I have no idea how long it will be before our host dumps PHP 5.3 entirely, so we now have an upgrade forced on us, like it or not. This would not be a such a bad thing if the upgrade process were a little less fraught with uncertainty and room for errors, but it can sometimes be a bit nerve wracking. I see that you mention LTS, and that 1.21 apparently slipped between the LTS versions. Too bad for us. My recollection is that we upgraded from 1.19 to 1.21 for the same reason - PHP updated and the version we had no longer worked. And it looks like we are (somewhat counter-intuitively) better off upgrading not to the current 1.26, but to 1.23, which is an LTS version. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:27:14 -0700 > From: Bryan Davis <bd808(a)wikimedia.org> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 9 > Message-ID: > <CAGrKmBLWn7t0jwrRhudkdTZQpXZjFo7MquMm1zbEQBhbQAOmSw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Mickey Feldman <mfeldman(a)vigil.com> wrote: >> One more vote for this. >> >> Upgrades have generally caused us much pain with little or no obvious >> benefit. In our particular case, Mediawiki works well enough as is. Until >> our host decides to update PHP forcing us to upgrade Mediawiki, and >> discovering that it no longer works. >> >> While there may be things we might like improved, we can't afford to >> dedicate a full time Wikimedia guru to becoming expert in the hidden corners >> of the code and keeping up with every change that might have some unexpected >> side effect. >> >> I realize that some of the changes are security fixes, and a Good Thing, but >> I suspect these are in the minority. Our wiki is not public, so we could >> probably get away with being a bit more lax about that, but when Mediawiki >> is suddenly no longer compatible with php version-whatever, we have no >> choice but to upgrade. > > I've seen a couple of comments similar to this one that seem to have > the causal chain reversed so I thought I would try to clarify. > > If and when MediaWiki updates its minimum required PHP version nothing > will change for existing MediaWiki deployments. The change will only > effect new MediaWiki releases. If you are happily running MediaWiki > 1.23 or similar on your wiki nothing at all will change. > > If and when your hosting provider updates their installed PHP version > nothing will change for existing MediaWiki deployments. PHP generally > goes out if its way to maintain backwards compatibility with running > software designed for older versions of the PHP runtime. In the few > cases that there are backwards compatibility breaking changes it is > very likely that MediaWiki has already been patched to deal with them > unless you are running a version of MediaWiki that predates the > initial release of the new PHP version your provider has upgraded to. > In that case if you are running a supported LTS version of MediaWiki > you should only need to upgrade to the latest point version. If you > are running something older than a supported LTS release, yes you may > have to upgrade. > > Bryan > -- ------------------------- M. Feldman Vigil Health Solutions, Inc. 2102 - 4464 Markham Street Victoria, BC Canada V8Z 7X8 Tel: 250-383-6900

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?
by Ray Paseur 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

Greetings, colleagues. I took the PHP survey, so that part is done, but I'd like to weigh in on some of the comments I've seen in this thread. I have read all of your comments, and I agree with everything written here. First and foremost, thanks to all who support the software and the community. This mailing list gives me a welcome word every day. I believe that using the latest software is almost always a good idea. We are going to upgrade eventually - why deny ourselves the benefits of the latest software by putting off the upgrades? The only argument in favor of delay would be a breaking change, and this is something that the authors of the software must publicize. Second, I'm very empathetic to anyone who experiences troubles installing products or doing upgrades. In the PHP world, we have worked hard to make the major systems (WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, Laravel, etc.,) easy to install and upgrade, and to clearly identify breaking changes from one version to the next. It's almost axiomatic that breaking changes may not occur from one release to the next. The PHP-FIG (Framework Interoperability Group) has been instrumental in guiding our thinking on this point. PHP version 5, since PHP 5.3 has been pretty stable. I have not experienced a breaking change at all, up through PHP 5.6+. I have experienced deprecation warnings (mostly related to the antiquated MySQL extension) but these warnings can be suppressed, allowing time for developers to change to a supported database extension. This model of "deprecation before abandonment" has proved very useful for those of us who want to be up-to-date, and has given ample notice to those of us who want to remain on old software. PHP version 7 (there is no version 6) introduces breaking changes with the removal of previously deprecated features. But it's also much faster and has better language support for some modern design and coding techniques. That said, it seems logical to me that future releases of MW should "just work" with PHP 7. There may be a good bit of work between "should" and "just works" but this seems like an enticing objective. Some MW Extensions use PHP code that is PHP release-dependent. Finding and catching these instances before installing a breaking change is not easy. For example, consider a PHP 5.3 platform that needs the EmbedVideo extension. There is a gotcha - EmbedVideo uses a PHP array notation that is not supported in PHP 5.3. This is something that Composer is supposed to help us with. Throughout the PHP community, the universal advice is "If you're not using Composer yet, start using Composer!" Though I resisted that advice for a couple of years, I've found Composer to be one of those things like Git version control. It can save you much more than it costs you. So I would encourage anyone reading this thread to consider Composer and embrace it if possible. Perhaps greater publicity about Composer should issue forth from the Foundation? Perhaps there should be a community-standards requirement to use Composer to publish new or updated versions of MS Extensions? And on a slight tangent, but related... A native and naked installation of MediaWiki should not be an inviting hacker target. We should be able to download and install the software without having to think too much. Then we should be able to extend update rights to our community according to our community's needs. "Built by devs for devs" is so 2005. Less configuration and more convention is a better paradigm for our future. Again, thanks to all. I hope to see you in San Francisco, Ray Paseur Armedia, LLC

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administrator/sysop permission
by Toshi Esumi 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

Hi, Recently my wiki site got attacked by somebody using API and thousands of pages and users were created. So I had to re-image the VM (ubunto 14.04) and installed 1.26.0 and manually re-created the wiki from scratch Then encountered some difficulty setting up proper user group privileges to protect the site from vandalism. First, I disabled ('false') 'createpage' for all user groups '*' like below in LocalSettings.php. But it looked like disabled administrator creating pages. So I added another line with 'sysop' to allow it. But it still doesn't allow. I created a new user group and allowed "createpage", and this works. So I'm wondering why an administrator can't create a page. $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['createpage'] = true; Does anyone know why this doesn't work? Toshi

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 9
by Mickey Feldman 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

One more vote for this. Upgrades have generally caused us much pain with little or no obvious benefit. In our particular case, Mediawiki works well enough as is. Until our host decides to update PHP forcing us to upgrade Mediawiki, and discovering that it no longer works. While there may be things we might like improved, we can't afford to dedicate a full time Wikimedia guru to becoming expert in the hidden corners of the code and keeping up with every change that might have some unexpected side effect. I realize that some of the changes are security fixes, and a Good Thing, but I suspect these are in the minority. Our wiki is not public, so we could probably get away with being a bit more lax about that, but when Mediawiki is suddenly no longer compatible with php version-whatever, we have no choice but to upgrade. > > I'm afraid you've got a point there, Boris. Your not alone. > > Contrary to you, I 've (up to now) tried to keep everything up to date. I > must now admit that the advantages of doing so are rapidly vanishing. Too > often this ends in a time consuming trial and error, leading into fault > messages and malfunction, hence a loss of confidence. I think I will change > policies and keep things as they are until I notice a more coherent upgrade > approach. > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe(a)utoronto.ca> > wrote: > >> >> >> I hold off updates as long as at all possible, the reason being that over >> the last years new versions of the software have almost never come with >> tangible benefits to my core use. It is almost always just fixing >> edge-cases we don't care about and better support for things we don't use. >> Why? Because we have developed a workflow around the software as it existed >> about three years ago and there is really no reason to change that. The >> benefit of not using the latest is that we get to skip releases and frankly >> every single release just takes way, way to long to install and verify and >> fix across our multiple Wikis. Every release I can skip gives me half a day >> of my life! >> >> The release cycles are too short. As far as I'm concerned, MediaWiki works >> oK, if it would do just what it does; that would be nice, and aspiring to >> anything else is just not what I'm interested in. The only reason why I'm >> constantly on the lookout for alternatives to MW are the frequent >> required/recommended updates. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this. >> >> Now, if a new version would come out that would autoupdate and configure >> itself and make sure it keeps on working with my (completely standard) >> extensions, that would be nice. Too modern? >> >> >> Boris-- ------------------------- M. Feldman Vigil Health Solutions, Inc. 2102 - 4464 Markham Street Victoria, BC Canada V8Z 7X8 Tel: 250-383-6900

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?
by T. P. Suhr 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

My PHP is listed as "5.6.14 (cgi-fcgi)" My situation is shared hosting on a *nix server - so I don't think I *can* upgrade PHP myself, without a clicky button from my webhost somewhere in the control panel. btraynor wrote: > Perhaps I'm confused, but it sounds to me like there are > certain classes of MediaWiki administrators out there. > There's those who would prefer a hands free experience, > or at the very least a point and click GUI-based > administration experience and those that are would > prefer a more command-line based, power-user > administrative experience. I'm in a "neither of the above" category. While I currently use winblowz, it's not the only OS I've used over the years - I don't mind manually dropping files in places and editing files, as long as the instructions are clear. My problem is, I'm not a developer/programmer (I'm more of a technical writer by inclination), and the documentation needs.....ah......some work to be fully understood by non-devs. Once the documentation is thorough enough, I won't have an issue tackling upgrades. -- tpsuhr(a)gmail.com

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all users at a time?
by Jingyi C. Shi 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

Hi Josepherum, Thank you for your response. I installed the extension, but it did not fit my needs. Luckily, I found the solution in my case, that is to use api as following: api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rcprop=title|user|timestamp&rclimit=100 Thank you again for your help! Best, Catherine On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:20 PM, <mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 22:20:18 +0000 > From: "P. Josepherum" <papaverjosepherum(a)gmail.com> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all > users at a time? > Message-ID: > <CA+ANT6KDEP97Drb9OJceSQ+8ZTONJnQxxLX2hPxS=mqMZ+t= > RQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > How about this extension? > https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Contributors > > On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, 21:51 Jurij Byrda <gintasgp19(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > gintasgp19(a)gmail.com > > 2015 gru. 7 23:32 "John" <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> rašė: > > > > > Special:RecentChanges > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Jingyi C. Shi <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Agnese, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your response. But I can only find 'User contributions' > > in > > > > special pages, in which I need to type in IP address or username. > That > > > > means I can only see one user's contribution at a time. However, > what I > > > > need is to see all the contributions of all users. If I have to type > in > > > all > > > > the usernames individually, it will be a huge work. So I am looking > > for a > > > > method to see the contributions of all users in one single > page/query. > > > > > > > > I look forward to your further help! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM, < > > mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > > > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:16:06 +0100 > > > > > From: Agnese Camellini <agnese.camellini(a)gmail.com> > > > > > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > > > > > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all > > > > > users at a time? > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > > < > > > > > CACXuh-SgpFY7V19ujy2PM8hfqvDnGWfACxM3ZmHF0rpWfGVZLw(a)mail.gmail.com > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure i get the right idea but.. Look in the special > pages... > > > > Maybe > > > > > there is something suiting your needs... > > > > > Il 07/dic/2015 08:02 PM, "Jingyi C. Shi" <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> ha > > > > scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check > the > > > > > > contributions of all users at a time. And How? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > > > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 8 > > > > > ******************************************* > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > -- > > Love and waffles, > PJosepherum > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > ------------------------------ > > End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 9 > ******************************************* >

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all users at a time?
by Jingyi C. Shi 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

Thank you, John. Special:RecentChanges is not working in my case. I don't know why the page is empty with no result, even though I set '&from=<some date>'. But you make me aware that I can use api.php with recent changes. So finally, this is my solution: api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rcprop=title|user|timestamp&rclimit=100 Thank you for your help! Best, Jingyi On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:20 PM, <mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:32:44 -0500 > From: John < > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all > users at a time? > Message-ID: > <CAP-JHpkWmeyPiNRKN3A_Bk9uwN8= > Ww3uEmuo6W2M6Jn7iPJACA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Special:RecentChanges > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Jingyi C. Shi <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Agnese, > > > > Thank you for your response. But I can only find 'User contributions' in > > special pages, in which I need to type in IP address or username. That > > means I can only see one user's contribution at a time. However, what I > > need is to see all the contributions of all users. If I have to type in > all > > the usernames individually, it will be a huge work. So I am looking for a > > method to see the contributions of all users in one single page/query. > > > > I look forward to your further help! > > > > Thanks, > > Catherine > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM, <mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:16:06 +0100 > > > From: Agnese Camellini <agnese.camellini(a)gmail.com> > > > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > > > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all > > > users at a time? > > > Message-ID: > > > < > > > CACXuh-SgpFY7V19ujy2PM8hfqvDnGWfACxM3ZmHF0rpWfGVZLw(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > I'm not sure i get the right idea but.. Look in the special pages... > > Maybe > > > there is something suiting your needs... > > > Il 07/dic/2015 08:02 PM, "Jingyi C. Shi" <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> ha > > scritto: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check the > > > > contributions of all users at a time. And How? > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Catherine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 8 > > > ******************************************* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > >

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all users at a time?
by Jingyi C. Shi 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

Hi Agnese, Thank you for your response. But I can only find 'User contributions' in special pages, in which I need to type in IP address or username. That means I can only see one user's contribution at a time. However, what I need is to see all the contributions of all users. If I have to type in all the usernames individually, it will be a huge work. So I am looking for a method to see the contributions of all users in one single page/query. I look forward to your further help! Thanks, Catherine On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM, <mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:16:06 +0100 > From: Agnese Camellini <agnese.camellini(a)gmail.com> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all > users at a time? > Message-ID: > < > CACXuh-SgpFY7V19ujy2PM8hfqvDnGWfACxM3ZmHF0rpWfGVZLw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'm not sure i get the right idea but.. Look in the special pages... Maybe > there is something suiting your needs... > Il 07/dic/2015 08:02 PM, "Jingyi C. Shi" <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > Dear all, > > > > I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check the > > contributions of all users at a time. And How? > > > > Thanks much, > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 8 > ******************************************* >

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How can I check the contributions of all users at a time?
by Jingyi C. Shi 07 Dec '15

07 Dec '15

Dear all, I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check the contributions of all users at a time. And How? Thanks much, Catherine

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