MediaWiki-l December 2015

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What PHP version do you use?
by Tim Starling 07 Dec '15

07 Dec '15

If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form: <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…> You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have from WikiApiary. You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal information will be forwarded to us. -- Tim Starling

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use? (Chris Koerner)
by David Shaw 07 Dec '15

07 Dec '15

I concur with those who mention the difficulty of upgrading. I'm running MW 1.26.0 in a single-click installation on AWS. Other products I use -- including open source -- have a graceful and online update process. MW is built by developers for developers. I'm not a developer and every time I upgrade I'm scared. It's a fraught exercise. I have a few things that don't work, and I have no idea why. For example, file uploads stopped working somewhere along the way but I don't know when exactly. I didn't change file permissions; although I've fiddled with them endlessly since. I suspect it's something in the base AWS stack, but what? [Permissions seem to be an area of discussion with different falvours of Linux.] I would like to install Parsoid (why isn't it in the base install?) but nobody can offer insight into how to install it at docroot when you only have docroot access. I hired a Linux pro to help with that one and he threw his hands up. [Installation is easy, but how do you start it up automatically?] Why is the mobile frontend an add-on and not the default? It's 2015... Quite a few extensions have gone to a DevOps approach of continuous development and release, but how do I know when to update them? There is no online notifiction. All of these and more point to the legacy and Dev nature of MW. David On 05/12/2015 7:00 AM, mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > Re: What PHP version do you use? (Chris Koerner) -- *David Shaw pmp, pcip* Senior Management Consultant | Information Architect 1.613.809.4793 Public key: 0xACB98DF4 Connect on my YouTube tutorials: Information management Tutorials <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCppqnKc2XzjRIcUltgo1GRw> Connect on LinkedIn & my IM/KM Blog: Information management <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6097601&trk=tab_pro> www.kontentsu.blogspot.com/ Connect on Facebook & my Trawler Blog: Trawlers <https://www.facebook.com/david.shaw.3994885?ref=ts> www.bluewater-trawlers.blogspot.ca/

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 3
by Jan Steinman 07 Dec '15

07 Dec '15

I'm not exactly a "noob", but I haven't kept up with PHP changes -- what is running is running, so why change? So I was just punting on the "how long will it take to upgrade?" question. (I said "More than an hour", because just finding out the impact will take that long!) So what exactly is the expected impact of upgrading PHP 5.3.8 to 5.5 or greater? (Note: I'm now officially in that "more than an hour" of upgrading.) Having been stung by various upgrades over the years, I tend to not touch stuff that isn't broken. I'm running several MediaWiki sites between 1.13 and 1.16. I'd sorta like to upgrade, but I don't know what that buys me, and y'know, they're all working... :-) Jan On 2015-12-04, at 04:00, mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > Send MediaWiki-l mailing list submissions to > mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mediawiki-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of MediaWiki-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. What PHP version do you use? (Tim Starling) > 2. Re: What PHP version do you use? (Bill Traynor) > 3. Re: What PHP version do you use? (Tim Starling) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:25:41 +1100 > From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> > To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use? > Message-ID: <n3qq2m$92u$1(a)ger.gmane.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version > you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form: > > <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…> > > You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over > whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of > MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering > some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have > from WikiApiary. > > You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal > information will be forwarded to us. > > -- Tim Starling > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:54:35 -0500 > From: Bill Traynor <btraynor(a)gmail.com> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use? > Message-ID: > <CAN20qYptjEk14SdnmCUgt6x4+s22wzqNxSpa2fsX3y-XNUZfUg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Can we fill it out multiple times if we run manage more than one instance? > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >> If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version >> you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form: >> >> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…> >> >> You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over >> whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of >> MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering >> some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have >> from WikiApiary. >> >> You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal >> information will be forwarded to us. >> >> -- Tim Starling >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MediaWiki-l mailing list >> To unsubscribe, go to: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:34:45 +1100 > From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> > To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use? > Message-ID: <n3r1km$me3$1(a)ger.gmane.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Good question. I'm most interested in the amount of work it will take > to upgrade PHP, so if you manage a hundred identical servers and will > upgrade them all in bulk, then you shouldn't submit the form more than > once, because that would be overrepresentative. But if you consult on > several completely separate systems, each with their own quirks and > dependencies, then I suppose it makes sense to submit the form more > than once. > > I've added a checkbox to the form so that you can tell us if you are > submitting it more than once. > > -- Tim Starling > > On 04/12/15 12:54, Bill Traynor wrote: >> Can we fill it out multiple times if we run manage more than one instance? >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version >>> you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form: >>> >>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…> >>> >>> You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over >>> whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of >>> MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering >>> some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have >>> from WikiApiary. >>> >>> You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal >>> information will be forwarded to us. >>> >>> -- Tim Starling >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MediaWiki-l mailing list >>> To unsubscribe, go to: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MediaWiki-l mailing list >> To unsubscribe, go to: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > ------------------------------ > > End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 3 > ******************************************* :::: You know what? What makes our economy grow is energy. And Americans are used to going to the gas tank (sic), and when they put that hose in their, uh, tank, and when I do it, I wanna get gas out of it. And when I turn the light switch on, I want the lights to go on, and I don't want somebody to tell me I gotta change my way of living to satisfy them. Because this is America, and this is something we've worked our way into, and the American people are entitled to it, and if we're going improve (sic) our standard of living, you have to consume more energy. -- Chuck Grassley :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ::::

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[Cargo] Submitting a patch?
by Ed 06 Dec '15

06 Dec '15

Hi all, I have a small patch to submit. I got dev access. However, I'm getting a "Permission denied (publickey)" error when attempting to clone the core. I did look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Advanced_usage#SSH_and_.22permission_… and I'm not quite sure what needs doing after doing "ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa" Do we need to put the fingerprint of the Gerrit server somewhere? How? Thanks! Below is the patch, the purpose of which is to have the HOLDS check match "book", but not "bookworm" when the field that allows for multiple values is "book". --- CargoSQLQuery.php.old 2015-12-03 20:28:37.266335782 -0500 +++ CargoSQLQuery.php.new 2015-12-06 02:49:11.726587301 -0500 @@ -556,19 +556,19 @@ $fieldName = $virtualField['fieldName']; $tableName = $virtualField['tableName']; - $likePattern1 = "/\b$tableName\.$fieldName(\s*HOLDS LIKE\s*)/"; + $likePattern1 = "/\b$tableName\.$fieldName".'[^0-9a-zA-Z$_](\s*HOLDS LIKE\s*)/'; $foundLikeMatch1 = preg_match( $likePattern1, $this->mWhereStr, $matches ); $foundLikeMatch2 = $foundMatch1 = $foundMatch2 = false; if ( !$foundLikeMatch1 ) { - $likePattern2 = "/\b$fieldName(\s*HOLDS LIKE\s*)/"; + $likePattern2 = "/\b$fieldName".'[^0-9a-zA-Z$_](\s*HOLDS LIKE\s*)/'; $foundLikeMatch2 = preg_match( $likePattern2, $this->mWhereStr, $matches ); } if ( !$foundLikeMatch1 && !$foundLikeMatch2 ) { - $pattern1 = "/\b$tableName\.$fieldName(\s*HOLDS\s*)?/"; + $pattern1 = "/\b$tableName\.$fieldName".'[^0-9a-zA-Z$_](\s*HOLDS LIKE\s*)/'; $foundMatch1 = preg_match( $pattern1, $this->mWhereStr, $matches ); if ( !$foundMatch1 ) { - $pattern2 = "/\b$fieldName(\s*HOLDS\s*)?/"; + $pattern2 = "/\b$fieldName".'[^0-9a-zA-Z$_](\s*HOLDS LIKE\s*)/'; $foundMatch2 = preg_match( $pattern2, $this->mWhereStr, $matches ); } } - Ed

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 147, Issue 4
by Jan Steinman 05 Dec '15

05 Dec '15

Oops! Please forgive that I included the entire digest in my response. I know better than that... :-( :::: Every company in the industrialized world today, regardless of their product or service, is in some way selling goods created using repackaged oil. -- Thom Hartmann :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ::::

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?
by Chris Koerner 04 Dec '15

04 Dec '15

Tim, The MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group recently surveyed MediaWiki users with regards to their use of the software. We summarized the results and the raw anonymous data on MediaWiki.org <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/2015_MediaWiki_User_Survey>. It might be worth looking into. Additionally, we did ask respondents if they would like to be contacted for follow up discussions. We have yet to do so, but perhaps this question would be a good time to engage these folks. Let us know if you'd like to work together on figuring a way to best handle outreach. Yours, Chris Koerner clkoerner.com

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Making Media Files Responsive
by tharpenator＠gmail.com 01 Dec '15

01 Dec '15

Hi I doubt there is away to do this, but anyone have any thoughts on making Media Files embedded on a wiki page responsive? I'm currently designing a site on the foreground skin, which is a responsive skin, but all files using the Mediawiki syntax [[File: ]] are by default not responsive. Of course one could allow the use of the html img tags, but it would nice if there's another solution. I was thinking it could be done by css, maybe something like: <div class ="responsive">[[File: ]]</div> But I'm not sure what to reference via css, or if it could be done this way (I think the File embed will ignore any css, but maybe I'm wrong). Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks Sent from my iPad

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Constructing an SVG from MW templates
by Adam Nielsen 01 Dec '15

01 Dec '15

Hi all, Does anyone know whether there is a way to construct an SVG from MediaWiki templates? I'd like to include diagrams in my wiki pages, but to preserve the edit history I'd like to have each diagram as a wiki page in its own right. Rather than force people to use SVG code directly, I'd like to "hide" it in templates, so that you can create a page like this: {{Diagram Start}} {{Diagram Object | Type = Arrow | X = 0 | Y = 0 | Direction = Left }} {{Diagram End}} The templates would then expand into SVG code using the site's style, and you could embed that SVG in the articles you want as if it's any other image, e.g. with [[Image:Example.svg]]. Is there any way this could be achieved with existing extensions? Many thanks, Adam.

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