MediaWiki-l June 2007

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] Any leads on a basic wiki setup-and-configure instruction manual?
by Monahon, Peter B. 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

>> Peter Blaise wrote: ... I'm trying to compile a >> "see this on a MediaWiki screen, edit it ... HERE" >> ... listing for MediaWiki administration. >> Can anyone link me to a list that >> addresses these on-screen MediaWiki >> words and their synonyms, and shows >> where to edit/control their appearance ... > Jan wrote: I'm not exactly clear on what > you want. Perhaps you're looking for > [[Special:Allmessages]]? Thanks for your question and suggestion, Jan. Wow, there's 145 pages of unintelligible documentation at http://yourwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Allmessages&ot=html and http://yourwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Allmessages&ot=php - no wonder it's hard to find quick answers for MediaWiki inquires. By the way, that series of pages is also a good example of the misaligned jargon syndrome within MediaWiki community: Go to [[Special:Allmessages]] and find a screen that says not "Special:Allmessages" but instead says "System messages" ... so someone would find it by searching for ... which term? Anyway, there are some synonyms in it which help resolve some ambiguities, but no directions to where to control the on-screen MediaWiki parts (not the contents of user contributed articles, but the on-screen parts of MediaWiki itself). What I want is to know how to find what controls anything on a MediaWiki screen. Say a user asks me to change the logo - where do I find the control for that? Say the next user wants me to change the wording of the tabs across the top - where's the control for that? And so on, for everything we can see in a default MediaWiki installation. Example: I open the manual for my camera and the first thing it does is tell me the "names of the parts". Then when they say, "open the battery door," I can look at their map and see what they are talking about. And they don't sometimes refer to it as the "power source compartment". No, it's always the "battery door". When they say, "look at the top panel lcd," I then know they call it the "top panel lcd" when I contact anyone for help. It's never the "horizontal display". No, it's always the "top panel lcd" wherever it's referred to. MediaWiki, however, has no such master "names of parts" page that I can find, making it hard to find the control for any MediaWiki screen element I'm staring right at! And when we do have something on screen with an apparent name, it seems to be controlled by something under another name, such as, "discussion" is really "talk" and: on-screen "navigation" ... = MediaWiki:Sidebar ... = http://{your wiki's URL}/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar And so on. That's why I asked for help finding the names of the MediaWiki parts, such as: - on-screen "search" ... = (synonym?) ... = place for a wiki admin to edit/control it - on-screen "toolbox" = ... = (synonym?) ... = place for a wiki admin to edit/control it Because I want to CONTROL those on-screen MediaWiki elements, and I can't find what that are called. As, as exampled above, the name on screen is not used in any support documentation I can search at MediaWiki.org. So, c'mon folks, if you know or can find it, please share links at MediaWiki.org or create it and then share links! Thanks! -- >> Peter B. wrote: ... and so on for ALL >> editable page elements in a MediaWiki >> installation. > Michael wrote: Install a utility like > Firebug for Firefox and enable it. > That will allow you to see every > element on the screen and see what > bit of CSS it uses. Useful if you want > to change the skin in any way. It will > also allow you to see any other > HTML/CSS/Script stuff you can > search for in the various php files > that make up Mediawiki. Great, Mike! ... now if I can only get permission to install Firefox ...!!! However, some MediaWiki page elements are controlled directly by typing mediawiki:xxxxx or speciak:xxxxxxxx and son on, for some entries into the "search _____ [go] [search]" area (whatever that area is called), yet some on-screen MediaWiki elements require finding, creating or changing lines in xxxsetting.php and now you suggest looking for xxxx.cs files as they may be the source ... dang, Mike, spread the target w-i-d-e so it's impossible for me to hit, why dontchya? :-( I'll see if I can install Firefox on a USB drive ... - Peter Blaise ...fighting the good fight, trying to make MediaWiki taste good for the users around me...

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] Any leads on a basic wiki setup-and-configure instruction manual?
by Monahon, Peter B. 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

Is there any control over "discussion/talk" page scope? That is, when you click on a sub-section of a page to edit it, there's a "discussion" tab in view, but the tab is for the whole page, not just the editable section you initially clicked on. Are "discussion/talk" tabs only for the entire "article" page? So ... we need to split the sections off to their own pages if we want them to have their own discussions? Any links to MediaWiki.org that address this? -- Where is the [save page] [show preview] [show changes] reference call in the program controls - and what is it called? People would like to see it above and below the edit box, like Yahoo Mail uses, so they have a chance of seeing [save...] in immediate view while they're editing regardless of scrolling the section length, but at least when the page is scrolled to the top. Any links to MediaWiki.org that address this? -- As always, please help find or create links to MediaWiki.org with answers - thanks. - Peter Blaise ... still at it ... PS - Yes, I've searched, but if the answers are on MediaWiki.org, they are not using the exact words as they appear on screen, so how would be find them?

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Any way to "snapshot" a mediawiki site into html + images?
by Ken McDonald 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

We'd like to give our users an offline readable version of the site that doesn't require installation of the MW engine--basically, just a collection of HTML files and accompanying images/downloadable files. Is there a script or other way to do this? Many thanks, Ken McDonald

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User?
by Paul Coghlan 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

I have added two more wikis to my site (Italian and Spanish) and through AuthDrupal am handling login with the Drupal community site. I have just noticed that for the two new wikis I see a question mark after the username? e.g Paul? Tom? Patrick? etc Does this have some special meaning? This is NOT occurring on the first wiki even though the _user record looks to be identical for each. Thanks Paul

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Template with "ifexist" creates wanted pages
by Florian Käutner 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

Hello Mailinglist, I'm new to this list and I already searched the net and this archive for a solution. There is a problem in our template which should create the proper link with three different writing versions: {{#ifexist: {{{2}}} (Episode) | [[{{{2}}} (Episode)]]| {{#ifexist: {{{2}}} (ENT) | [[{{{2}}} (ENT)]] | {{#ifexist: {{{2}}} | [[{{{2}}}]] | {{{2}}} }} }} }} It tests first if there is an article "So-and-so (Episode)" or "So-and-so (ENT)" to finally links on "So-and-so". In most cases there will be only one writing, if there are episodes with the same name in different series they have an extension "Babel (ENT)" and "Babel (DS9)" and have a Disambiguation page "Babel". In this case the template above shall link on "Babel (ENT)". The bis problem is, that our MediaWiki 1.10alpha created a Wanted Pages list with dead link by this template. This occurred when updating to 1.10. What is wrong? The template or our MediaWiki version? Some links for more information: * http://memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Spezial:Verweisliste/Kir%27Shara_%28ENT%29 * http://memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Vorlage:ENT (heavily edited for testing) * http://memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Vorlage:TNG (original ever since) Thanks for any tip or help in advance! Florian

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] Any leads on a basic wiki setup-and-configure instruction manual?
by Monahon, Peter B. 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

Hi fellow MediaWikians, I'm trying to compile a: "see this on a MediaWiki screen, edit it ... HERE" ... listing for MediaWiki administration. Can anyone link me to a list that addresses these on-screen MediaWiki words and their synonyms, and shows where to edit/control their appearance ... or, failing any existing published documentation, perhaps we each could take what we know on put it on mediawiki.org and then share a link here in response to this post? Thanks! - on-screen "navigation" ... = MediaWiki:Sidebar ... = http://{your wiki's URL}/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar - on-screen "search" ... = (synonym?) ... = place to edit/control it - on-screen "toolbox" = ... = (synonym?) ... = place to edit/control it ... and so on for ALL editable page elements in a MediaWiki installation. Thanks! - Peter Blaise ... still at it, still fighting for a real server, but in development nonetheless, sharing an intranet MediaWiki from my workstation!

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Functionality lost after Update
by Ron Hall 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

Howdy I recently updated form 1.6.8 to 1.8.4. A few things did not seem to survive the "move" * Image tag does not work - I cannot get *[[image:tst.png]]* to work * I can no longer upload ExCel file - complains about corrupted file * This template no longer work - the image does not display [[media:{{{1}}}|{{{2}}} (PDF)]] <span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:image:{{{1}}}}} https://information.ncs.mcgill.ca/ourdocs/images/d/da/Info_circle.png]</span> The rest of the site appears to be fine - the image for the spell checker no longer appears, but I suspect it is related to the image problem - though the path for images in correct and has not changed. I figure it is a variable setting, but darned if I know which one. Thanks for the help. r

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] Any leads on a basic wiki setup-and-configure instruction manual?
by Jan Steinman 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

> From: "Monahon, Peter B." <Peter.Monahon(a)USPTO.GOV> > > I'm trying to compile a: > > "see this on a MediaWiki screen, edit it ... HERE" > > ... listing for MediaWiki administration. Can anyone link me to a > list > that addresses these on-screen MediaWiki words and their synonyms, and > shows where to edit/control their appearance ... I'm not exactly clear on what you want. Perhaps you're looking for [[Special:Allmessages]]? :::: Rest satisfied with doing well, and leave others to talk of you as they please. -- Pythagoras :::: :::: Jan Steinman <http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com> ::::

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Understanding Templates - inuse
by Dave Sigafoos 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

We are moving into templates and so using the 'inuse' template that was suggested to me last week .. I exported and imported I saved/uploaded image After a little fitzing (technical term for not sure what's happening :) when preview/view Template:inuse it looks really nice. Now I put it in a page and before the image I get {| class="messagebox plainlinks" id="inuse" style="border: 1px solid #5A8261; background-color: #CCFFCC;" |- | style="width: 70px" | Then the image and then the text Ideas on why it would look different when viewing the template direct than it does when you {{inuse}} Thanks DSig David Tod Sigafoos | SANMAR Corporation PICK Guy 206-770-5585 davesigafoos(a)sanmar.com

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Re: [Mediawiki-l] Yet another question about File links (file://)
by johan.boye＠latecoere.fr 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

> >>> the file links. They are only working on IE, but not in Firefox. > >> Pages served through HTTP should not point to files in local users > >> computer, it is a security issue. It is not a MediaWiki > configuration > >> problem, it is a Firefox restriction, and it is right in doing so. > > > > You are right and I have to admit file links should not exit at all. > > Anyway, that's for an Intranet need where we want to get > CIFS security. > > > > If I have to look on the Firefox side, is there any tips around ? > > I already check out smb.exe and user.js tweak, is there something > > simple around ? > > There are tips around! This page explains how to enable links to local > files: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Links_to_local_pages_don't_work Thanks but like i said before, something else then smb.exe or user.js. BTW, user.js doesn't work here... Anyway, thanks. I already know it's not a Mediawiki syntax issue. "Les informations contenues dans ce message electronique peuvent etre de nature confidentielles et soumises a une obligation de secret. Elles sont destinees a l'usage exclusif du reel destinataire. Si vous n'etes pas le reel destinataire, ou si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le detruire immediatement et de le notifier a son emetteur." "The information contained in this e-mail may be privileged and confidential. It is intended for the exclusive use of the designated recipients named above. If you are not the intended recipient or if you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and immediately notify the sender."

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