There needs to be some kinda national coordination. In Mumbai, we are in touch with Raj
Bhavan and the Maharashtra State Archives.
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:27:45 +0530
From: noopur.raval(a)gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam
Hello all :) I am glad you liked it and yes, I will post updates on the page. I am in
talks with someone from a relatively big museum but am taking it carefully because these
things, as you know, are very delicate. I might require the chapter's support and
preferably someone from the chapter or foundation who is in Delhi. This will be sometime
in January first week.
SO, I urge you all to stick around AND, most importantly speak up.
I only see a couple of names over and over and I am sure there are more people who agree
or disagree. Also, if you guys from the chapter saw the bit on regular meet-ups, do
consider a zonal organisation for India as a community. Everyone kept asking me how this
big a country manages to have a single chapter for all. Let's make nodal points and
have newsletters or updates. I can volunteer to make a newsletter!
WarmlyNoopur
PS. (thanks Srikanth R. and Arjuna :) )
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <parakara.ghoda(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hey Noopur, lovely mail. This should be made part of the FAQ on the
Wiki India Chapter website. I read about a massive GLAM collaboration
in the UK with a Museum for the Hoxne Hoard, which is a Featured
Article in English. The efforts to get info, photos etc, are
documented in the Foundation Report of 2009 2010. I believe this is
what we need to emulate in India simply because much of our culture
and heritage is present and rotting in several museums and we can save
it on Wiki.
On 12/12/2011, Noopur <noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Pradeep and the rest of you,
What I think was my biggest take away from the
GLAMcamp is: GLAM and
Outreach cannot be separated. Similar holds for
expanding the India
Wikipedia community. While doing Wikiacademy or
workshops or clubs or
meet-ups, the idea is to spread the word as much as
encourage a culture of
good editing. That is what these guys back at the camp
take very seriously,
every occasional meetup is a wonderful outreach
opportunity! Let's talk
more about that :)
Warmly
Noopur
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohandas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
>
> Thank you for your update, Noopur. Coming back
with more good and
> concrete is great and the best way for the
community to reflect.
>
> Personally, I think there are people right now who
are focussed on
> building a new breed of editors through
WikiAcademies and
> Wiki-Workshops. This seems to be happening in tech
schools and not in
> art schools. Very few of the tech school junta
might be interested in
> the arts or history. But, they can teach the arts
school junta to edit
> and help them out. I think it is this
cross-disciplinary editing that
> we need to foster more in the Indian community.
> There are people on this mailing list who are
interested in
> participating in GLAM. I hope they respond to this
thread and
> participate in the conversation.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep
>
> On 12/12/2011, Noopur
<noopur.raval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > These are my insights from GLAMcamp
Amsterdam. I have put them in form
> > of
> > some key questions. For me it was a brilliant
learning experience. So,
> most
> > of these answers are not mine, rather they
have been generated as
> > collaborative responses by various people
from different chapters. I am
> > grateful to WMF, WM-NL and WM-UK for their
special interest in helping
> > encourage GLAM participation in India.
> > This is the link to the programs:
> > session you will find an etherpad link to the
live discussion!
>>
>>
> > Why GLAMwiki is becoming all the more
important?
>>
> > Flickr: popular mass upload tool but is no
longer available; it has
> pending
> > requests and flickr commons has no money to
support more file sharing.
> > Wikimedia Commons allows almost the same
functions and metadata sharing,
> > open licensing with a bonus Wikipedia link
(something that institutions
> go
> > by). Since most institutions don’t really
know what Wikimedia or commons
> > is, the Wikipedia name leverages partnerships
and allows them similar
> > archiving benefits. For us, it is also
outreach.
>>
>>
> > Common questions by GLAM institutions in
other countries:
>>
> > -
>>
> > Why Wikipedia, why not our own website?
>>
> > Because of the abysmal disparity in web-view.
Simply, Wikipedia is the
> > 5thmost visited, gives far more visibility in
web traffic as compared
> > to your
> > own website. However, integrating wikis and
providing links is not hard
> > either. So, it doesn’t have to be mutually
exclusive.
>>
> > -
>>
> > This is complicated, is there an easier
way to collaborate?
>>
> > Advice to GLAM and cultural/outreach people:
Carry presentations (PPT),
> > simple statistics, don’t go into metrics
jargon, show in simple numbers,
> > percentage, fractions how people can make a
difference or vice versa.
> > Use
> > things like color coding, emphasize on the
importance and seriousness of
> > ‘free knowledge’, larger things that
Wikipedia is also in service of.
> This
> > helps people connect at different levels.
Most importantly, break your
> > hierarchies and trash your rule books (or
make simpler ones that use
> > less
> > jargon). If you are concerned about quality
editing there are two
> solutions
> > (get content specific editathons and organize
a Wiki academy EVERY
> > week).
>>
>>
> > What happens once partnership is over? How to
sustain?
>>
> > This is why a GLAM coordinator is not simply
a GLAM person. S/he is also
> > someone who does massive outreach: Wikipedia
takes your city; Wiki loves
> > monuments, wikiacademies, PR and network
building with local, regional
> and
> > national resource persons outside the
community. While in capacity as a
> > fellow, the idea is also to do value
addition, train employees (at least
> > train in minor edits, article making, image
uploading). Source one
> contact
> > through another.
>>
> > (My take: As I see it, there has to be a
crucial change in orientation.
> > From exhaustive internal debates, discussions
and tool building
> exercises,
> > it has to move and adapt to the larger Open
and free scene, involving
> > people albeit on a temporary basis and
expanding. Monopolizing Wikipedia
> as
> > a city, state or indic language space is only
going to create a highly
> > concentrated yet a very niche community)
>>
> > -
>>
> > (Question asked to me) 52 cultural
partnerships listed on GLAM
> > request
> > page, why not India?
>>
> > Frankly, I had no answers why. My hunch is
that since traditionally
> science
> > and technology oriented courses and vocations
have been encouraged, few
> lay
> > people really know their culture or feel as
passionately about
> > conservation. On the other hand, placement of
government officials to
> > unrelated departments (museums) included
leaves them little motivation
> > to
> > go beyond their regular duties. On the other
hand, there is also a large
> > communication and visibility problem since
Wikimeetups aren’t really a
> > matter of common knowledge even to
journalists. Wikimedia India really
> > needs to carve out a place and get involved
in academic and art spaces,
> > have people just talk about their
experiences, present smaller
> > individual
> > pilots (Sumanna)
>>
> > -
>>
> > Why no Indian participation in ‘This month
in GLAM’?
>>
> > Because there is really no ‘Indian’ GLAM or
‘Indian’ community. As
> > wonderful as the Indic language efforts are,
it would be great if there
> > were biannual national meet-ups, regional
meets and more frequent local
> > meets. Identify at least 4-5 cities that can
act as pivotal regional
> > meeting and resource points. This will also
help generate smaller goals
> and
> > activities and we can have our own newsletter
as well as TMIG updates.
>>
> > -
>>
> > How do we identify, regulate and
strengthen local community based
> > interactions?
>>
> > Most important: Every chapter must have a
national outreach coordinator.
> > Have mandatory sections in agenda: Gender
gap, Indic, English, GLAM,
> tools,
> > updates, outreach. Invite guest speakers or
professors who can give a
> talk
> > or attend and that way get to see the
internal workings of the local
> > community. Try and concretize a press team,
media releases, word of
> mouth,
> > social networking channel so that every time
news passes by, we have a
> > loyal reader, enthusiast base.
>>
> > -
>>
> > What tools are used to digitize artifacts?
>>
> > Proposed GLAMtoolset, more on etherpad, apart
from this proposal to move
> > GLAM to a different portal from Outreach
redirect. More on etherpad
>>
> > -
>>
> > Do people really know who a Wikipedian is,
what Wikimedia projects
> > are
> > about?
>>
> > Andy Mabbett, Fae from UK chapter spoke about
their fund raising and
> > outreach activities, also on how to recruit
new editors and how to
> recruit
> > new Wikimedians
>>
> > Important task is to categorically do
outreach and editor involvement
> > together.
>>
> > -
>>
> > Who all do you invite in a wikimeetup?
>>
> > Go to institutions and say how can we help
you
>>
> > Go with groups to cultural institutions and
get volunteers so that you
> get
> > focused group
>>
> > Organize a fb group and event
>>
> > Is there a monthly update?
>>
> > Need for a cultural outreach coordinator
position
>>
> > Need for a monthly newsletter that binds all
indic and English community
> > members
>>
> > Need to look at GLAMs more seriously because
women’s outreach and GLAM
> are
> > intricately connected.
>>
> > Need to move to more friendly UIs and keep
discussions going. Of course,
> > mailing lists exist and they can be for
people specifically involved in
> > a
> > community but for the novices and to attract
more people, there is a
> > need
> > to get FB groups going, have more Wiki
academies.
>>
>>
> > These are a few salient questions. I will
appreciate your suggestions,
> > advice, comments and questions. Let us try
and be civil about criticism,
> > like mature, secure adults :) Look forward to
your responses!
>>
>>
Warmly
>>
>>
Noopur
>>
> > --
> > Noopur Raval
> > Student
> > Arts and Aesthetics
> > Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
> > Ph: 9650567690
>>
>
>
> --
> Pradeep Mohandas
> How Pradeep uses email -
http://goo.gl/6v1I9
>
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Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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