This is an entirely different type of "page views" tool, and totally unrelated to the page views that the original poster is talking about
stats.grok.se and wmflabs "pageviews" tool both are frontends to the same backend system (I believe originally based on squid logs. In modern times I believe its varnish logs -> varnishkafka -> kafka -> hadoop). See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Systems/Varnishkafka https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data_Lake/Traffic/Webrequest and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view
While all this is open source and potentially usable by third parties - it would be a lot of effort to setup. IMO It does not make sense to gather statistics in this fashion unless your site is very large (Like Wikipedia).
-- Brian
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 8:26 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I remember stats.grok.se with fondness - as I understand it, that checked the raw Squid logs and tallied up the page hits.
I see we use the "pageviews" tool now - how available is that, and would it be usable outside tools.wmflabs.org?
- d.
On 27 May 2018 at 19:36, Lewis Cawte lewiscawte@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm not too familiar with the code but I don't think it would be too difficult to update HitCounters to run under 1.30.
What state the extension is outside of the basic compatibility changes I don't know. I think it was removed from core over general performance and accuracy concerns.
I'll try to remember to have a look this week.
-- Lewis Cawte
On Sun, 27 May 2018, 19:30 Stephan Gambke, s7eph4n@protonmail.com wrote:
I am very much with Lewis on this: Using outdated MW versions poses significant security risks.
That said, there is to my knowledge no one download package containing more than one skin. In fact, in the case of Chameleon there is no drop-in download package at all. You need to use Composer for installation. On
the
upside, it is compatible with MW 1.22 or higher. See installation instructions here: https://github.com/cmln/chameleon/blob/master/docs/installation.md
You could also download old skin versions from Github, e.g. for Monobook go to https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-MonoBook , select the REL1_24 branch and download the ZIP.
Of course, if you think that hitcounters are worth having, consider
giving
that unmaintained extension some love and making it compatible with
modern
MW. Others will thank you for it.
Stephan
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On May 27, 2018 5:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg mortenblaabjerg@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte lewiscawte@googlemail.com
wrote:
Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible
skin.
The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
skins
although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
repositories.
Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some
of
the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just
need
to
get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
work
with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple
skins
would probably do for starters.
Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old
unsupported
version of MediaWiki?
Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
"special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply
leave
it
in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
indication of what pages were actually read by people.
Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
campsite.
Sure! Thanks for your time!
I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
like
the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get
to
use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be
fairly
simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
-- Lewis Cawte
On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg,
mortenblaabjerg@gmail.com
wrote:
I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage,
if it
works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by
which
it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of
time, and
it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things,
and I
simply love the template functionality too.
However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the
"pageviews"
and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25
onward,
and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version
with
this functionality, because no skins were included with the old
version,
and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
spending
most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I
can
find
only skins compatible back to 1.27.
I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or
the
other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if
possible.
I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just
need
the
simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a
browser,
and
the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages"
special
page.
What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the
functionality
removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made
an
extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy
to
build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no
signups
for anyone else, so I intend to use raw html in wiki pages as well.
So I
would have no problem using a workaround - say putting some code
in a
template which is then in turn loaded in every page. But of course,
it
would be more easy to have it as part of the footer as it used to
be.
Thanks in advance for any help in guiding me in the right
direction.
Venlige hilsener,
Morten Blaabjerg
mortenblaabjerg@gmail.com
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