[MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?

Bill Traynor btraynor at gmail.com
Tue Dec 8 00:30:53 UTC 2015


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Bill - I think you are setting up a false dichotomy here.

I didn't mean to imply that those are there are only two types of
MediaWiki users/administrators out there.  That's definitely not true.

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> I will take command-line over GUI any day. All I'm asking for is that the tool does not become the job.

FWIW, my "job" has actually evolved into almost full-time MediaWiki
administration.  Luckily, I enjoy it.

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> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Bill Traynor <btraynor at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Perhaps I'm confused, but it sounds to me like there are certain
>> classes of MediaWiki administrators out there.  There's those who
>> would prefer a hands free experience, or at the very least a point and
>> click GUI-based administration experience and those that are would
>> prefer a more command-line based, power-user administrative
>> experience.  Am I wrong?
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>> Personally, I fall in the latter group.  I prefer to track MediaWiki
>> and all extensions from the command line using Git.  I've never used
>> Composer up to this point and have had no problems.
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>> My only gripe about MediaWiki is that the development road map seems
>> to be directed foremost by the needs of Wikimedia in support of
>> Wikipedia.  Of course, I can't really complain as it's FOSS and if I
>> was highly motivated, I could develop the things I really want.
>> Examples being somewhat "enterprisey", like better Oracle support,
>> finer grained and flexible content management, etc. etc.
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>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Francis Franck <francis.franck at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm afraid you've got a point there, Boris. Your not alone.
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>>> Contrary to you, I 've (up to now) tried to keep everything up to date. I
>>> must now admit that the advantages of doing so are rapidly vanishing. Too
>>> often this ends in a time consuming trial and error, leading into fault
>>> messages and malfunction, hence a loss of confidence. I think I will change
>>> policies and keep things as they are until I notice a more coherent upgrade
>>> approach.
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>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> Just to counter that, you are overlooking a crucial point ...
>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Ray Paseur <ray.paseur at armedia.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I believe that using the latest software is almost always a good idea.
>>>> We are going to upgrade eventually - why deny ourselves the benefits of the
>>>> latest software by putting off the upgrades?  The only argument in favor of
>>>> delay would be a breaking change, and this is something that the authors of
>>>> the software must publicize.
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>>>> I hold off updates as long as at all possible, the reason being that over
>>>> the last years new versions of the software have almost never come with
>>>> tangible benefits to my core use. It is almost always just fixing
>>>> edge-cases we don't care about and better support for things we don't use.
>>>> Why? Because we have developed a workflow around the software as it existed
>>>> about three years ago and there is really no reason to change that. The
>>>> benefit of not using the latest is that we get to skip releases and frankly
>>>> every single release just takes way, way to long to install and verify and
>>>> fix across our multiple Wikis. Every release I can skip gives me half a day
>>>> of my life!
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>>>> The release cycles are too short. As far as I'm concerned, MediaWiki works
>>>> oK, if it would do just what it does; that would be nice, and aspiring to
>>>> anything else is just not what I'm interested in. The only reason why I'm
>>>> constantly on the lookout for alternatives to MW are the frequent
>>>> required/recommended updates.
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>>>> I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.
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>>>> Now, if a new version would come out that would autoupdate and configure
>>>> itself and make sure it keeps on working with my (completely standard)
>>>> extensions, that would be nice. Too modern?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Boris
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