[Mediawiki-l] Please convince me to make my software open source

Boris Steipe boris.steipe at utoronto.ca
Mon Jan 18 20:11:02 UTC 2010


But that is exactly what I meant (sorry if I was oblique). In this  
case the business is not based on selling the code. Therefore there  
are no downsides to open-sourcing the code, and many tangible  
advantages, not only altruism.
B.

On 18-Jan-10, at 2:22 PM, Bernard at bernardHulsman.nl wrote:

> Boris Steipe wrote:
>> In my area of work (bioinformatics) I have not seen convincing
>> business models that were based on charging for code. Integration,
>> customization, consulting - yes, it needs a lot of expertise to get
>> that right and people are willing to pay for that expertise.
>> Contributing to the open-source pool advertises your organization's
>> capacity to understand real-world issues and address them in a viable
>> way.
>> $0.02 - B.
>>
> Boris, I am not thinking about charging for code. There must be a
> barrier between Open Source and SAAS. But this barrier does not  
> need to
> be charging money.
>
> For developers your argument is correct. I am not a developer. I am an
> architect who design the software and the developer programs it. The
> developer get paid for his work. It is my ownership, my (Open Source)
> copyright.
>
> On details I am not the best person to go to. If there is a bug the
> developer can solve it better. But for the big architecture I am  
> the one
> who does the design. And if I am not there the work can continue for a
> few months and then its stuck.
>
> So as a business model this does not work for me.
>
> With regards Bernard
>
>>
>>
>> On 18-Jan-10, at 1:21 PM, Bernard at bernardHulsman.nl wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Boris Steipe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also: in the information-based economy, an increasingly important
>>>> part of the revenue of your activities is "mind-share". No  
>>>> better way
>>>> to demonstrate your expertise to the world than to contribute
>>>> something useful.
>>>> B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Boris. Thanks. That is indeed a good argument.  But then I must be
>>> able
>>> to show that my expertise is indeed my expertise. My company is
>>> Wikiation. The bundle extensions is named Wikibox Blue. The
>>> copyright is
>>> and should stay mine!. That is. It can be GPL or an other Open  
>>> Source
>>> license what I chose. If I should loose that then I should loose
>>> everything. I lost exclusive ownership of the software and I  
>>> loose to
>>> demonstrate my expertise.
>>>
>>> Regards, Bernard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 18-Jan-10, at 11:46 AM, Robert Cummings wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bernard,
>>>>>
>>>>> By open-sourcing your work the community gains from your work;
>>>>> however,
>>>>> this generally forms a positive reciprocity loop whereby the
>>>>> community
>>>>> will feed back into your contributions with their own  
>>>>> enhancements,
>>>>> ideas, and bug fixes from which you will then benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Rob.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernard at bernardHulsman.nl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have build many extensions to improve the functionality of
>>>>>> MediaWiki.
>>>>>> It is for
>>>>>> Enterprise use as Knowledge management infrastructure. The  
>>>>>> name of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> extensions and additional
>>>>>> functionality is Wikibox Blue. The software is propriety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can be hosted as SAAS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today there has been a request if automatic signing of thread is
>>>>>> possible in the discussion page.
>>>>>> This is standard functionality in WikiForum. Which can be used
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> talk namespace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it is propriety software. So it can not be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is here : Please convince me I have to make my
>>>>>> propriety
>>>>>> software open source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With some conditions :
>>>>>> *I decide if I make Wikibox Blue Open source
>>>>>> *I decide when Wikibox Blue will be Open source
>>>>>> *I decide on which conditions Wikibox Blue will be open source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you respect these conditions please try to convince me I
>>>>>> should do
>>>>>> it. Keep in mind it is a
>>>>>> mayor step for me and my company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernard Hulsman
>>>>>>
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