[Mediawiki-l] Is MediaWiki-l dysfunctional? What is it good for, really?

Kasimir Gabert kasimir.g at gmail.com
Wed May 23 20:43:17 UTC 2007


You seem to be confusing things.  MediaWiki-l discusses issues
concerning *MediaWiki* (and WikiMedia).

This list is alive an very helpful to people who have issues
concerning MediaWiki.

You do not currently seem to need help with this.  What it seems that
you need help with is:

* Apache (with PHP)

What I would recommend you do is:

a) Download Apache binaries, start a webserver, make sure it works on
the intranet
  1) if you have any issues, contact Apache support people
b) Integrate PHP into Apache -- make sure this works on your intranet
  1) if you have any issues, contact Apache support people (or PHP
support people)
c) Install a MySQL database - make sure you understand user permissions, etc.
  1) if you have any issues, contact MySQL support people
d) Integrate MySQL with PHP -- again, *MAKE SURE THIS ALL WORKS ON
  1) if you have any issues, contact PHP support people

Then you can download and extract MediaWiki, and then proceed to
install it through your web browser.

If you cannot solve all of these steps or do not want to have to RTFM,
then hire somebody to do it for you.

People will only answer these trivial questions if they are paid.
Most people here have enough experience being sysadmins that taking
the time to walk you through these questions are similar to explaining
to someone how to hit the "on" button on their computer.

Sorry to be blunt, but you are attacking an infrastructure that has
been around for a long time and is really, very useful (mailing lists)
because you are having troubles grasping basic sysadmin jobs --
doesn't put me in the greatest of moods.

On 5/23/07, Tim Starling <tstarling at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Monahon, Peter B. wrote:
> > 1 - More than one of my posts has bounced back because either:
> > - the moderator thinks is inappropriate (to complex?);
> > - because a list auto-setting complains that my post is too big (to
> > complex?).
> > Hey, if I had simple problems ...
> The maximum message body size is 40KB. The list is unmoderated.
> > 2 - The list recently, at least, has taken w-a-y too long to arrive for
> > me to depend on it for contemporaneous solutions.  By the time the
> > digest arrives, it's not only bereft of responses, but it's w-a-y too
> > late, and I've moved on to other resources and other problems.
> Then don't use digest delivery, use individual message delivery or
> gmane.org. At least that way you wouldn't keep breaking the threading.
> > So, is this list MediaWiki-l dead or dying?  Do we all find each other
> > off list instead, and the l-o-n-g time between broadcasts is an
> > indication that this list has little or no function after all?
> No it is not dead or dying. The digest frequency has no relation to the
> quality of support it provides.
> > Is MediaWiki-l dysfunctional?  What is it good for, really?
> It is good for answering a certain kind of question which is not too
> hard and not too easy. This is my experience of all kinds of volunteer
> question answering, both offline and online. If a question is too easy,
> the reader would take no pride in answering it, and may consider it
> insulting or patronising. If the question is too hard, there may be no
> readers capable of answering it.
> Your questions, e.g. "how do I install MediaWiki on Windows", seem to be
> on the easy end of that scale. The best people for answering easy
> questions are paid support staff, but Wikimedia doesn't have any of
> them. I am paid, but I am a developer, not a support technician, and my
> priority is to help Wikimedia users.
> We do have a few volunteers here with a tremendous amount of patience
> for answering tedious, easy questions, and I have a great deal of
> respect for them. But you have to be nice to them if you want them to
> help you.
> Particularly time-consuming requests for help will hardly ever be met by
> a volunteer, unless the volunteer shares your goals.
> > Why not setup a real ***wiki*** discussion right at the MediaWiki.org
> > home pages, and encourage the MediaWiki software to actually mature to
> > handle such support needs as ours, instead of using an old-fashioned
> > mailing list like this?
> We do have a wiki. We also have IRC and a forum at mwusers.com. But the
> motives for volunteers there are exactly the same as here. So a question
> that goes unanswered here may well go unanswered everywhere. Buying
> commercial support is the obvious solution to this problem.
> -- Tim Starling
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Kasimir Gabert

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