Ravi only made a reference to Tulu. He didn't ask for Tulu stats now did
he?
On May 19, 2014 10:57 PM, "Pavanaja U B" <pavanaja(a)vishvakannada.com>
wrote:
Dear Abhilash,
Here is that part of Ravi’s email to the list where he mentioned about
Tulu-
<QUOTE> Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach
programs many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops
where there is active editor community at all. </QUOTE>
Here is my profile -
http://cis-india.org/openness/blog/pavanaja-profile.pdf
Yes, I am an expert in Kannada. I belong to coastal Karnataka where Tulu
is spoken. I can talk and understand Tulu.
I hope I have answered your queries.
Shameless plug:
If I am allowed to blow my trumpet here, you may read this at leisure -
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bytesforall_readers/conversations/messa…
Thanks and regards,
Pavanaja
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Unni
*Sent:* 19 May 2014 12:52
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*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something.
I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss
something?
Ravi, could you clarify as well please.
Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as
well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your
profile which I can read through if you do not mind.
Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I
thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes
under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong
and you are free to correct my wrong understanding.
Abhi
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*Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM
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Dear Ansuman,
Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
answered that.
Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
one month only – Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that
I mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already
wrote.
Regards,
Pavanaja
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*Sent:* 18 May 2014 21:06
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*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
stats for Tulu ?
No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!
Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
month's.
Ansuman
On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Editors with 10 edit count?
That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
measure of success.
Are there any real metrics being used?
On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" <pavanaja(a)vishvakannada.com>
wrote:
Dear Ravi,
1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:
Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned –
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_J….
Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-
The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:
· 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
· 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just
one edit.
· 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp…ution_201404.
I am extracting the same data for current –
· 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.
· 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just
one edit.
· 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.
These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not
wasted efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats
page you may also notice that Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep
2009 till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let
us hope the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep
contributing to Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all.
2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore:
It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia.
But the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue
to write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add
content to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many
students. There are quite a good number of students who are passionate
about enriching Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada
by way of adding articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students
will help not only Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people
in general. Again, I would emphasis, let us be optimistic.
Thanks and regards,
Pavanaja
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*Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
MarHey,
Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia?
I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_…
lists one of the lessons learned as follows:
//Single-session, general-audience outreach has negligible impact
everywhere (for example, just giving a single talk about Wikipedia to
whoever shows up—the conversion rate to editors is tiny, and yet we keep
*doing* it".//
(Do give a full read of that whole section 1.3 Lessons learned)
Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs
many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where
there is active editor community at all.
To quote Asaf again:
//So just what *has* the Foundation learned about the criteria for
funding successful activities? Bartov first talked about a fundamental
prerequisite:
"The *sine qua non* of most programs is a core of self-motivating active
editors. Most of the things you want to do, most of the things chapters in
the global north are doing, depend on this core. It can be as small as four
or five people, but those people need to be actual active editors ... who
edit because they like it, they enjoy editing Wikipedia or Commons, they
get it, and they are inherently committed to our principles like NPOV; not
people who are editing because there's a contest on and they want to win
the laptop.
"Where that core doesn't exist, it's very hard to deploy any other type of
program. If you want [a GLAM partnership] with the National Museum of
Cameroon ... how are you going to deliver on what you promise the museum if
you don't have local editors who will do the work – write the articles,
show up to meet the curators. So this is the big, big challenge for which
we don't have an answer: how do you grow such a core ... in a certain
country? ... we're now cautious about active investment where there is not
an active community—although it's still possible if you give us a really
great idea."//
The only outcome of such initiatives seem to be PR material like this:
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/wikipedia-tap…
where Pavanaja quotes as follows:
//There was a significant increase in the number of editors after 500
students of Christ University, Bangalore, were trained in editing at a
workshop held in January this year.//
And when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has
returned to pre-education programme levels within a month
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaKN.htm
So, I would like to understand why the wheel is getting reinvented again
and again with an insane budget besides documented evidence of WMF's
learning on this.
Stop doing paid outreach.
Ravi
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