Hi, The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". Already minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic wikisource community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to be different from the earlier trainings. If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, it would be good to know before bidding. Also any proposal for the trainers? What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this training? Because in many of the advance trainings people without basics also attend and pull down the average level of the trainings. (or they won't benefit from such trainings). Also to few members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that instead of training a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face problems while proofreading. Regards J. Balaji (User:Balajijagadesh) Note: Same was posted in meta talk page : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/… On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:53 AM Jayanta Nath <jayantanth(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Hello Balaji, Thanks for your questions, let me try to answer to these. A. >>The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". Already minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic wikisource community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to be different from the earlier trainings. -- Yes, the event name is Wiki Advanced Training, where on a project is focused every year. This year the project we are focusing on is Wikisource, next year we have not planned or decided yet. So far Wikisource training (zonal) has been conducted/supported by CIS-A2K in the last one year for (in alphabetical order) Assamese, Gujarati, Marathi, Punjabi, Sanskrit community (in Bangalore), and Tamil community. Those have been mostly first-level or basic training. But, as "Advanced Wiki Training": name suggests, the training should be for experienced Wiki-librarians with advanced topics (*what advanced topics, answering in the next points)* B. *>>Because in many of the advance trainings people without basics also attend and pull down the average level of the trainings. (or they won't benefit from such trainings).* There should be basic eligibility criteria (see D). About participants, as mentioned earlier, yes, it is expected that the participants have both basic Wikisource knowledge and contribution experience. One thing comes here, does this ensure participation from all communities? I hope you understand this point. However, it is true that Advanced Training ideally should not have very basic topics. Also note, we have community-selection process where a community will discuss on village pump and select Wiki-librarians to represent their communities. C. >>If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, it would be good to know before bidding. Agenda is decided after the needs-assessment of the participants. If you have topics to suggest, please let us know. About format, let me answer in the last part, as it is similar to "hands-on proofreading". D. >> What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this training? Excellent question. Please feel to suggest what selection criteria should be (number of edits, number of proofread/validated pages, recent activity). I'll check and get back to this with more details. E. >> Also to few members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that instead of training a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face problems while proofreading. That's a format-related question. I, personally, find this idea an interesting one. Whether it 'll be 50%, 75% or 100% of hands-on training, it is to be decided by all the participating community members. Abhinav, Thanks for your comments. community jury to decide on the bids would be beneficial. Also, the idea floated by Balaji on proposal for trainers is welcoming, this makes the community inclusive (a community-run initiative). -- Earlier we tried this. For Adv. Wikisource we are waiting for communities to show interest still. Hope to see at least a couple of interests there as of now. Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call. On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 13:03, balaji <balajijagadesh(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Dear Wikimedians, It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 October 2019. Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following link for proposal for hosting at their city: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/… It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. If you have any questions, please let us know. Regards, Jayanta Nath Wikisource Advisor CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Pavan, thanks for your input. You do make a valid point. Selection by community where the community spirit is absent is likely to throw up unsuitable candidates because the selection is now based on group dynamics and we have all seen how wrong that can go. If CIS A2K is providing Advanced Wikisource workshop, it is good for asking help from prospective host communities to host the event, but not selection of suitable candidates. That is the prerogative and responsibility of CIS A2K. The easiest way for a program to go downhill is to choose less suitable candidates over more deserving ones. That process necessarily must have both subjective and objective inputs. The objective inputs can come from the demonstrated body of work, the subjective has to be based on long term interaction with editors and get the community inputs. Please note there is a difference between community inputs vs asking community to select. I urge that this aspect be rethought out and taken into consideration. Since our WikiSource community is essentially small, our resources limited and WikiSource is volunteer effort driven, it is imperative that the most suitable candidates be chosen. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, 8:52 PM pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l