Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code. *
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&acti...
I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try.
Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um* *
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Dear Ansuman,
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Just a thought.....
The point I was making in my post was that this was perhaps not gender specific. It seems to happen to many new editors. Let us please not generalize this and make this gender bias. This issue is a case of lack of sensitivity to new editors.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
Also why should one need to recognize the gender of a user? Extending courtesies or extending a helpful hand to new editor surely has nothing to do with the gender of an editor. It should apply to all new editors.
From my interactions in a few workshops related to bridge gender gaps, most
women dont want any special treatment, they just want a fair take at things like anyone else.
Best regards Arun
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us.
And yes, be nice to all newbies!
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&acti...
I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try.
Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right.
I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors.
I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help.
I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help.
Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman
On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.in wrote:
Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us.
And yes, be nice to all newbies!
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&acti...
I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try.
Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana <teju@cscs.res.in
wrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Dear Nikita,
The article suggests that male Wikipedia editors put down newbie female editors. Your comments, placed in conjunction with examples that speak of misogyny and sexism, show Wikipedia editors in poor light. Can you clarify if the newspaper has misquoted you?
Regards, Rohini
-- Chairperson (Special Interest Groups), Gendergap, Wikimedia Chapter (India)
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right.
I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors.
I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help.
I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help.
Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman
On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.in wrote:
Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us.
And yes, be nice to all newbies!
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&acti...
I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try.
Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam <arunram25@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana < teju@cscs.res.in> wrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Hi Ansuman, your point about opening new ways is well-taken. It is the wiki community that has identified a gender gap, so to think of ways of dealing with it is not to show gender bias.
Thanks for the support.
On 10 March 2013 23:32, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right.
I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors.
I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help.
I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help.
Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman
On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.in wrote:
Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us.
And yes, be nice to all newbies!
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&acti...
I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try.
Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam <arunram25@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana < teju@cscs.res.in> wrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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Dear Rohini,
The problem is common for all newbies. It seems to have been interpreted in this manner in the context of the workshop. As per statistics, there are only 9% women in Wikipedia and the count is similar for other FOSS projects as well. So the underlying message is to a. ensure that more women participate and b. make all newbie editors/contributors feel comfortable
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Hi Ansuman, your point about opening new ways is well-taken. It is the wiki community that has identified a gender gap, so to think of ways of dealing with it is not to show gender bias.
Thanks for the support.
On 10 March 2013 23:32, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally understand your point and I think you are right.
I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors.
I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), the community should think of something, which could help.
I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which could help.
Thanks , http://twitter.com/an5umAnsuman
On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.in wrote:
Hi Ansuman, The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English could be a task for all of us.
And yes, be nice to all newbies!
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman ansumang@gmail.com wrote:
Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't visit userpages.
A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works like this
http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&acti...
I don't know if it is possible technically. But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their gender, then it'd be easy.
Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead and give it a try.
Regards, Ansuman http://twitter.com/an5um*
On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy swetapadma07@gmail.comwrote:
A very good read and truly written.
Regards, Swetapadma
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam < arunram25@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana < teju@cscs.res.in> wrote:
> Nice to see Nikita's name in the article. > > > http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old... > > -- > Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD > Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research > Applications (HEIRA) > Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) > Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) > Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute > of Science (CCS-IISc) > > t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268 > f: 91-80-26730722 > http://heira.in > www.cscs.res.in > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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Hi Arun, Re: The para in italics in your mail. I agree with you that the dynamics probably had to do with experienced editors vs. newbies, but if the former were perceived as 'males' that tells me something about who the experienced editors are!
To put a positive spin on it, maybe there are lots of newbies out there who happen to be women - so they need to be encouraged along with the other newcomers.
Glad to hear about the women's workshop which had so many of you 'supportive men'. May your tribe increase.
I will pass around the information about the new user tag. That's a very useful point.
Tejaswini
On 10 March 2013 11:34, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see wikipedians mentioned in the article.
Interesting to note the article mention the following...
*When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another Women's Wikipedia workshophttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013running in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini Nayakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak". This was being shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may not be the case).
Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media too).
For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive and to be careful not to "*Bite*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template {{this is a new userhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
Have a good weekend everyone!
regards Arun
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana teju@cscs.res.inwrote:
Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old...
-- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc)
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On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.comwrote:
When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, *male editors were quick to pull them down*. “This can be intimidating for anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a male-dominated world of code.
I don't understand how pages getting deleted quickly has anything to do with the gender of the editor. Yes, it's more likely that articles related to Kate Middleton's ward-robe are likely to get deleted faster than articles on esoteric distros of Linux (an example Jimmy gave earlier) but I don't see how the above assertions make any sense. It displays misunderstanding of the problem related to gender-gap (no, it's not Wikimedia-specific) and shows our projects in a bad light.
Anirudh
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