Hello Abhinav, On behalf of the team, I confirm that we have received your questions. Thanks for these questions. We have a hectic schedule right now because of few things such as CIS (the main institution's) strategy meet, staff transition, grant report, and some other works. Transparency and accountability are very important topics. If things are not clear for a couple of events, we must work on it. Some other member or I'll get back with answers in a few days. (I am cc-ing Sunil Abraham, ED, of the institution, in this email) Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call. On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 13:47, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Abhinav, Please find our responses below: ==Conference== Hello, (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru this summer?: Yes, we organised a WMCON India 2018 as per our proposal [1] that was submitted to the FDC in March 2017. (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities were invited? The delegates were not selected by CIS. Participants invited/selected by WMF to participate in WMCON 2018 [2] in Berlin were invited to this meeting. User Group representatives who will be participating in WMCON 2019 (residing in Bangalore) were invited to participate as well. (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on your response to part b) was an official notification sent via village pump, mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives? As the participants were already selected by another affiliate of WMF, we did not want to reinvent the process and hence sent them personal emails as invite to this conference. We apologise for not sending out the event agenda and details about the event on mailing list and village pump of all the Indic communities. (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the process? Our intention was not to be ‘non transparent’, the participant list was put up by WMDE Conference organising team and we invited only those people whose name featured in the official participant list. Sunil Abraham, Executive Director, CIS and Ananth Subray, Program Associate, A2K, Subhashish Panigrahi, representing Odia User group and Dr. U.B. Pavanaja, representing Karavali Wikimedians User Group were the only participants who were present whose name was not on the Participants list. (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the question is NO)? I would like to reiterate that our intention was not to be ‘non-transparent’. A2K team apologises for not sending out adequate information to communities and requisite channels of communication. We will strive to improve our communication with the community for all of our events. (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the community? There is a meta page that had been created but has not been completed. We will priorotise the reporting of this event and revert with relevant updates. (g) How much funds were involved? We used an approximate amount of INR.2 lakh for this event. Major expenses were incurred in arranging transport and hospitality. (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff during the workshop? Four members of the CIS-A2K team participated in the meeting. Mr. Sunil Abraham, Executive Director was the chief facilitator on Day 1. Tanveer Hasan and Tito Dutta were organisers and co-facilitators for the conversations for both days. Ananth Subray attended the event to coordinate logistics and reimbursements. ==Reports== (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta? We have defaulted on our newsletter because of the exit of our communications officer. All the reports are updated here [3]. We will also update reports here [4] at the earliest. (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly? We will do our best to update reports by the end of this month. [1]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Work_plan_July_2017_-_June_2018/Ski… [2]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_L… [3]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports [4]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Reports Regards, ಭಾನು, ಆಗ 5, 2018 ರಂದು 07:22 ಪೂರ್ವಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Abhinav srivastava < abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Hello Tanveer and Subhashish, Thank You, Tanveer for acknowledging, responding, apologizing and most importantly assuring on transparency. I still have a few concerns and I wish to write back. I would appreciate if I can hear back. 1.) Your proposal also mentions on inviting Experienced Indian Wikimedians. While, as per your response I do not find any Wikimedian attending in this category. I would like to record a suggestion. Bengaluru is one of the highly populated cities and also comprising a high number of migrant populations. In the upcoming events, you can invite Experience Wikimedians from other languages groups which still do not have a User Group and are based in Bengaluru. They may not be attending the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin, they may not be even from your focused languages. The idea is very similar to the statement put forward by your organization and Wikimedia India during the Wiki Conference India, “While some communities have dynamic leaders and enough community level activity…….this cannot be said for all communities.” 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate in the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of them was invited? I wish to hear. 3.) Once you complete the Meta page, I would request you to please share on this thread. I would encourage you and your team to document as much as you can about your activities on Meta. 4.) It is already to my understanding that the absence of your communication manager has led to defaults in your newsletter. I would like to re-iterate as documented on the other mail thread, Wikimedia Communities are voluntary driven, some staff should devote time and keep sharing. This is just a suggestion. @ Subhashish: Sorry to cross-post a bit from the other thread, I happened to miss your last message since another message popped in within 10 minutes and I couldn’t distinguish. I believe putting comments about your personal experiences at Wikimedia Movements wasn’t the best sportive thing one could do. Since those were put on a public thread, so, on a public thread, I would like to *apologize*. I still may remain unconvinced on not having bandwidth, reports and other issues, but, Yes, I shouldn’t have brought your personal story. Also, I advise Odia User Group to be more active in documenting about such works on their Meta page and Village Pump. Our communities are too big in nature, they often get sorted into two haves – one who dedicate more time to the movement and remain known faces amongst each other, two- who edit but devote less time to activities but they also put their contributions. There are numerous such silent editors in every community. Please take this only to be a suggestion, no negative remarks here. @Satdeep : I was expecting to hear from you. As Tanveer, points out on having spent roughly Rs 2 lakhs, this is amount is much more than that spent on to endorse a scholarship to Wikimania. But that’s not my question, I think we should refrain from that on this thread. You were a part of the conference were no heeds to transparency and reporting was made (even the CIS-A2K staff accepts this). Secondly, you hold a chair in AffCom and also a WMF staff (yes part-time). I am of the opinion that neutrality has somewhere been disturbed at your end. A personal freindly suggestion. Abhinav On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM Subhashish Panigrahi < psubhashish(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Hello Netha, I had no idea about you neither I am directing at you. This is for other Wikimedias residing in India. Sorry for the inconveniences. Abhinav On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 5:18 PM Netha Hussain, &lt;nethahussain(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Abhinav, I think it's a valid expectation for a public report from any volunteer in the movement when the donation money is spent. So, please don't apologize to me. But there are many factors — priorities in life, time commitment, need for something, and many more that stops one from being available for post-event documentation. Maybe the following would help explain. Our user group tries to document a lot. To put things into a perspective, our recent-most event, the 16th anniversary of Odia Wikipedia, has a long and detailed documentation in Odia (https://or.wikipedia.org/s/1bia) - thanks to contributors like Sangram Keshari Senapati, Bikash Ojha and many others who managed to document a lot of valuable portions from the discussions. We have recorded about 50 Gb of interviews and sessions just during this event that we now have no bandwidth to edit and upload. It will take a few more months for us to do that. :) As a new user group, we have also supported neighboring communities like Santali where we interviewed many of the active and new Wikimedians (almost 50 Gbs of media again) during a workshop that we helped organize with support from A2K. These are just a couple of examples of what we intend to do and how things turn up differently in reality. Trust me, we really want to document publicly as much as we can and there are genuine factors that slow many of us down. But point noted - there is always a room for improvement. I personally assumed that as there is a Etherpad note that Tito and others at A2K had created during the two-day meeting, sharing that with the community was enough. We indeed had a discussion and Sailesh who works at A2K and other colleagues at our user group can share more about the same. Subhashish On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:20 PM Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Thanks. I was just expressing my concerns. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:24 PM Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Those are two different issues of reporting, Satdeep. Anyways, I think that matter has been sorted for now. Sure, that would be a good way. We can discuss about conflicts in private mail. Abhinav On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:46 PM Satdeep Gill &lt;satdeepgill(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hi all, > > Documentation and Reporting has generally been an issue. As Subha > mentioned about a lot of footage and no bandwidth to upload, it reminds me > of WCI2018 where we had 500 GB data and could only work around about a 100 > GB of that. > > And yes some communities/volunteers have been doing a lot of great > activities but don't publicize it much and nor do they write blogposts > about the same. I believe this is something where we need some support from > each other. > > @Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; I believe everyone who was > going to Berlin was invited to attend the event in Bangalore. I do know > about one person not being available during those dates and another one was > refused visa. I might be missing out on something here. > > Regarding disturbed neutrality at my end, I just wanted to say that I am > first a volunteer and then a part-employee and in my view my volunteer > activities (which includes my role in AffCom) are very much different from > my role in the New Readers program. I am happy to discuss more about this > in private email. > > Regards > Satdeep Gill > > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 18:38, Ashwin Baindur &lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Thanks. I was just expressing my concerns. >> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:24 PM Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Ashwin Sir, >>> >>> >>> >>> It is a matter of one’s personal privacy. Otherwise, I would have >>> shared the delegate name immediately. This is similar to sharing >>> Bodisattwa’s talk about 2016 Wikimania where I shared the relevant link on >>> his personal email. If anyone is not comfortable then why force and take >>> his name. Yes, 2 lakhs is not the issue but you can see why I had stated so. >>> >>> Anyways, I would like to say, in future if I ever need a help from say >>> Bengali, Punjabi, Oriya community; Bodhisattwa, Satdeep, Subhashish would >>> be the first people to come and offer their support. There is enough good >>> in the Indian community and at times it does not get reflected on the >>> mailing list. 😊 >>> >>> Let me tell you, I am working on a GLAM partnership and nobody else but >>> Satdeep offered me help and support. This happened this Monday itself. >>> >>> Discussions and Debates are just a part of the community interactions. >>> As they say, the democratic process is strengthened more only when you >>> practice it. By practice only we learn, ‘we learn how to be polite’, ‘how >>> to maintain friendly space’, ‘how to be kind etc’. Anyways, If I have been >>> rude, I would like to apologize straight away. >>> >>> >>> >>> @ Subhashish: Thank You For The Positive Message. I am also happy to >>> learn about activities in your User Group. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:57 PM Subhashish Panigrahi < >>> psubhashish(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Abhinav, I think it's a valid expectation for a public report from any >>>> volunteer in the movement when the donation money is spent. So, please >>>> don't apologize to me. But there are many factors — priorities in life, >>>> time commitment, need for something, and many more that stops one from >>>> being available for post-event documentation. >>>> >>>> Maybe the following would help explain. Our user group tries to >>>> document a lot. To put things into a perspective, our recent-most event, >>>> the 16th anniversary of Odia Wikipedia, has a long and detailed >>>> documentation in Odia (https://or.wikipedia.org/s/1bia) - thanks to >>>> contributors like Sangram Keshari Senapati, Bikash Ojha and many others who >>>> managed to document a lot of valuable portions from the discussions. We >>>> have recorded about 50 Gb of interviews and sessions just during this event >>>> that we now have no bandwidth to edit and upload. It will take a few more >>>> months for us to do that. :) >>>> >>>> As a new user group, we have also supported neighboring communities >>>> like Santali where we interviewed many of the active and new Wikimedians >>>> (almost 50 Gbs of media again) during a workshop that we helped organize >>>> with support from A2K. >>>> >>>> These are just a couple of examples of what we intend to do and how >>>> things turn up differently in reality. Trust me, we really want to document >>>> publicly as much as we can and there are genuine factors that slow many of >>>> us down. But point noted - there is always a room for improvement. I >>>> personally assumed that as there is a Etherpad note that Tito and others at >>>> A2K had created during the two-day meeting, sharing that with the community >>>> was enough. We indeed had a discussion and Sailesh who works at A2K and >>>> other colleagues at our user group can share more about the same. >>>> >>>> Subhashish >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:20 PM Abhinav srivastava < >>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Netha, >>>>> >>>>> I had no idea about you neither I am directing at you. This is for >>>>> other Wikimedias residing in India. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the inconveniences. >>>>> >>>>> Abhinav >>>>> >>>>> On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 5:18 PM Netha Hussain, &lt;nethahussain(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> My response to Abhinav's question, just to clarify about my >>>>>> attendance at WMCON 18 : >>>>>> >>>>>> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate in >>>>>> the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of them >>>>>> was invited? I wish to hear. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am an Indian Wikimedian and I was selected by the WMF to >>>>>> participate in Wikimedia Conference 2018. I attended in my capacity as a >>>>>> volunteer and delivered the Diversity statement and led the >>>>>> diversity discussion >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_2> >>>>>> there. I was not informed about this Bangalore conference conducted by the >>>>>> CIS, and I do not expect to be invited because I live in a different >>>>>> country, and flying me to India would have been very expensive. >>>>>> Additionally, my role in WMCON 2018 was to talk specifically about >>>>>> Diversity, which is not exclusively an India-related topic. I did not >>>>>> represent any affiliate from India, either. >>>>>> >>>>>> The complete list of participants who attended WMCON 18 can be found >>>>>> here >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_List> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Netha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 13:28, Abhinav srivastava < >>>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Tanveer and Subhashish, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank You, Tanveer for acknowledging, responding, apologizing and >>>>>>> most importantly assuring on transparency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still have a few concerns and I wish to write back. I would >>>>>>> appreciate if I can hear back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1.) Your proposal also mentions on inviting Experienced Indian >>>>>>> Wikimedians. While, as per your response I do not find any Wikimedian >>>>>>> attending in this category. I would like to record a suggestion. Bengaluru >>>>>>> is one of the highly populated cities and also comprising a high number of >>>>>>> migrant populations. In the upcoming events, you can invite Experience >>>>>>> Wikimedians from other languages groups which still do not have a User >>>>>>> Group and are based in Bengaluru. They may not be attending the Wikimedia >>>>>>> Conference in Berlin, they may not be even from your focused languages. The >>>>>>> idea is very similar to the statement put forward by your organization and >>>>>>> Wikimedia India during the Wiki Conference India, “While some communities >>>>>>> have dynamic leaders and enough community level activity…….this cannot be >>>>>>> said for all communities.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate >>>>>>> in the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of >>>>>>> them was invited? I wish to hear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3.) Once you complete the Meta page, I would request you to >>>>>>> please share on this thread. I would encourage you and your team to >>>>>>> document as much as you can about your activities on Meta. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4.) It is already to my understanding that the absence of your >>>>>>> communication manager has led to defaults in your newsletter. I would like >>>>>>> to re-iterate as documented on the other mail thread, Wikimedia Communities >>>>>>> are voluntary driven, some staff should devote time and keep sharing. This >>>>>>> is just a suggestion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @ Subhashish: Sorry to cross-post a bit from the other thread, I >>>>>>> happened to miss your last message since another message popped in within >>>>>>> 10 minutes and I couldn’t distinguish. I believe putting comments about >>>>>>> your personal experiences at Wikimedia Movements wasn’t the best sportive >>>>>>> thing one could do. Since those were put on a public thread, so, on a >>>>>>> public thread, I would like to *apologize*. I still may remain >>>>>>> unconvinced on not having bandwidth, reports and other issues, but, Yes, I >>>>>>> shouldn’t have brought your personal story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, I advise Odia User Group to be more active in documenting >>>>>>> about such works on their Meta page and Village Pump. Our communities are >>>>>>> too big in nature, they often get sorted into two haves – one who dedicate >>>>>>> more time to the movement and remain known faces amongst each other, two- >>>>>>> who edit but devote less time to activities but they also put their >>>>>>> contributions. There are numerous such silent editors in every community. >>>>>>> Please take this only to be a suggestion, no negative remarks here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Satdeep : I was expecting to hear from you. As Tanveer, points out >>>>>>> on having spent roughly Rs 2 lakhs, this is amount is much more than that >>>>>>> spent on to endorse a scholarship to Wikimania. But that’s not my >>>>>>> question, I think we should refrain from that on this thread. You were a >>>>>>> part of the conference were no heeds to transparency and reporting was made >>>>>>> (even the CIS-A2K staff accepts this). Secondly, you hold a chair in AffCom >>>>>>> and also a WMF staff (yes part-time). I am of the opinion that neutrality >>>>>>> has somewhere been disturbed at your end. A personal freindly suggestion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Abhinav >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM Subhashish Panigrahi < >>>>>>> psubhashish(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Tanveer for this frank clarification. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt;om>, I didn't check >>>>>>>> earlier that there is a point concerning me. So just a small clarification >>>>>>>> - my point was not to show how A2K organized the event in a non-transparent >>>>>>>> way but to share the fact that I was a participant and did not know very >>>>>>>> well what went behind organizing the event. Also, I participated in my >>>>>>>> capacity of a rep of Odia Wikimedians User Group who happened to live in >>>>>>>> Bangalore (so it was logistically cheaper even though we didn't go to WMCON >>>>>>>> this year). For the record, Tanveer did share with me about this factor and >>>>>>>> the second factor — that our UG will be eligible next year to send a rep — >>>>>>>> for inviting me. My participation was not in the capacity of a former >>>>>>>> employee of CIS. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subhashish >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM Tanveer Hasan < >>>>>>>> hasanremembers(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Abhinav, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please find our responses below: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ==Conference== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru >>>>>>>>> this summer?: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, we organised a WMCON India 2018 as per our proposal [1] that >>>>>>>>> was submitted to the FDC in March 2017. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities were >>>>>>>>> invited? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The delegates were not selected by CIS. Participants >>>>>>>>> invited/selected by WMF to participate in WMCON 2018 [2] in Berlin were >>>>>>>>> invited to this meeting. User Group representatives who will be >>>>>>>>> participating in WMCON 2019 (residing in Bangalore) were invited to >>>>>>>>> participate as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on your >>>>>>>>> response to part b) was an official notification sent via village pump, >>>>>>>>> mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As the participants were already selected by another affiliate of >>>>>>>>> WMF, we did not want to reinvent the process and hence sent them personal >>>>>>>>> emails as invite to this conference. We apologise for not sending out the >>>>>>>>> event agenda and details about the event on mailing list and village pump >>>>>>>>> of all the Indic communities. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the >>>>>>>>> process? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our intention was not to be ‘non transparent’, the participant >>>>>>>>> list was put up by WMDE Conference organising team and we invited only >>>>>>>>> those people whose name featured in the official participant list. Sunil >>>>>>>>> Abraham, Executive Director, CIS and Ananth Subray, Program Associate, A2K, >>>>>>>>> Subhashish Panigrahi, representing Odia User group and Dr. U.B. Pavanaja, >>>>>>>>> representing Karavali Wikimedians User Group were the only participants who >>>>>>>>> were present whose name was not on the Participants list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not >>>>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the >>>>>>>>> question is NO)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to reiterate that our intention was not to be >>>>>>>>> ‘non-transparent’. A2K team apologises for not sending out adequate >>>>>>>>> information to communities and requisite channels of communication. We will >>>>>>>>> strive to improve our communication with the community for all of our >>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the >>>>>>>>> community? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a meta page that had been created but has not been >>>>>>>>> completed. We will priorotise the reporting of this event and revert with >>>>>>>>> relevant updates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We used an approximate amount of INR.2 lakh for this event. Major >>>>>>>>> expenses were incurred in arranging transport and hospitality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff >>>>>>>>> during the workshop? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Four members of the CIS-A2K team participated in the meeting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mr. Sunil Abraham, Executive Director was the chief facilitator >>>>>>>>> on Day 1. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tanveer Hasan and Tito Dutta were organisers and co-facilitators >>>>>>>>> for the conversations for both days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ananth Subray attended the event to coordinate logistics and >>>>>>>>> reimbursements. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ==Reports== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly >>>>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have defaulted on our newsletter because of the exit of our >>>>>>>>> communications officer. All the reports are updated here [3]. We will also >>>>>>>>> update reports here [4] at the earliest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We will do our best to update reports by the end of this month. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]. >>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Work_plan_July_2017_-_June_2018/Ski… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [2]. >>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_L… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [3]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [4]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Reports >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ಭಾನು, ಆಗ 5, 2018 ರಂದು 07:22 ಪೂರ್ವಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Abhinav >>>>>>>>> srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank You Tito for your mail. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would request you to address the issues within 10 days from >>>>>>>>>> now. This is just a request. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, one of your colleagues and also my friend informed me that >>>>>>>>>> he wanted to reply but his e-mail is being moderated or blacklisted. I have >>>>>>>>>> taken this issue with the mailing list admins and the admins have looked >>>>>>>>>> into the issue clarifying the said collegeue wasn’t moderated or >>>>>>>>>> blacklisted. In case, any issue still arises, please ping me and I will do >>>>>>>>>> my best to settle this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank You for writing back. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Abhinav >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018, Tito Dutta &lt;trulytito(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Abhinav, >>>>>>>>>>> On behalf of the team, I confirm that we have received your >>>>>>>>>>> questions. Thanks for these questions. >>>>>>>>>>> We have a hectic schedule right now because of few things such >>>>>>>>>>> as CIS (the main institution's) strategy meet, staff transition, grant >>>>>>>>>>> report, and some other works. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Transparency and accountability are very important topics. If >>>>>>>>>>> things are not clear for a couple of events, we must work on it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some other member or I'll get back with answers in a few days. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (I am cc-ing Sunil Abraham, ED, of the institution, in this >>>>>>>>>>> email) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> Tito Dutta >>>>>>>>>>> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel >>>>>>>>>>> free to remind me over email or phone call. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 13:47, Abhinav srivastava < >>>>>>>>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends From CIS-A2K, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing up a discussion based on few of the concerns >>>>>>>>>>>> expressed on the other mail thread. I would like to acknowledge on record, >>>>>>>>>>>> the past few years CIS-A2K has reached out to communities (besides Focussed >>>>>>>>>>>> Language Area) much more effectively. I may be the first person to say this >>>>>>>>>>>> publicly but I am sure many more would echo my views here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now what concerns me and something CIS-A2K already knows, when >>>>>>>>>>>> the community has started acknowledging your work much more, CIS-A2K has >>>>>>>>>>>> been acting as the necessary intervention in times of crisis why >>>>>>>>>>>> transparency is being not paid its due. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I list some of my questions which everyone is already aware of >>>>>>>>>>>> and would request a reply. I would request you to not break the bullet and >>>>>>>>>>>> reply each of them separately. Of course! If you are comfortable. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ==Conference== >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru >>>>>>>>>>>> this summer? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities >>>>>>>>>>>> were invited? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on >>>>>>>>>>>> your response to part b) was an official notification sent via village >>>>>>>>>>>> pump, mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in >>>>>>>>>>>> the process? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not >>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the >>>>>>>>>>>> question is NO)? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the >>>>>>>>>>>> community? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K >>>>>>>>>>>> staff during the workshop? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ==Reports== >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly >>>>>>>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> @Satdeep: I could not find any Meta page but I do find a page >>>>>>>>>>>> which is put under-construction and this mentions you. Were you a part of >>>>>>>>>>>> this? If Yes, I am not able to understand, the entire argument you had >>>>>>>>>>>> posted yesterday about reporting guidelines and transparency. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Only If, You Were A Party to This. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To Everyone, I understand I may be playing the devil’s role >>>>>>>>>>>> here. Some of my close aides have already advised me to stay back since I >>>>>>>>>>>> am damaging my personal reputation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My argument is simple if my personal image promotes >>>>>>>>>>>> inclusiveness and transparency. I will be happy to remain a soldier >>>>>>>>>>>> fighting. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Abhinav >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences >>>>>>>>>>>> visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Netha Hussain >>>>>> Institute of Neuroscience and Physiology >>>>>> University of Gothenburg, Sweden >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >

Hello Tanveer This is just a friendly reminder that you are supposed to reply on this thread. It has been more than 1 month now since I floated my concerns. Although you are no longer a part of the Access to Knowledge Team and now a staff with Wikimedia Foundation, I understand you are still part of the movement and could answer for your previous office. I am copying this on your Wikimedia Foundation Mail Id as well. The silence has been a cause of personal trouble for me. I have been subject to personal humiliation such as, 'witch hunt' on this thread. As claimed by you that best efforts would be undertaken to provide reports by the end of August, hasn't happened. We are now in the 37th week of the year. The clarity on how the public money is being spent by CIS-A2K still remains unclear. Abhinav On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:15 PM Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Those are two different issues of reporting, Satdeep. Anyways, I think > that matter has been sorted for now. > > Sure, that would be a good way. We can discuss about conflicts in private > mail. > > Abhinav > > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:46 PM Satdeep Gill &lt;satdeepgill(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Documentation and Reporting has generally been an issue. As Subha >> mentioned about a lot of footage and no bandwidth to upload, it reminds me >> of WCI2018 where we had 500 GB data and could only work around about a 100 >> GB of that. >> >> And yes some communities/volunteers have been doing a lot of great >> activities but don't publicize it much and nor do they write blogposts >> about the same. I believe this is something where we need some support from >> each other. >> >> @Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; I believe everyone who was >> going to Berlin was invited to attend the event in Bangalore. I do know >> about one person not being available during those dates and another one was >> refused visa. I might be missing out on something here. >> >> Regarding disturbed neutrality at my end, I just wanted to say that I am >> first a volunteer and then a part-employee and in my view my volunteer >> activities (which includes my role in AffCom) are very much different from >> my role in the New Readers program. I am happy to discuss more about this >> in private email. >> >> Regards >> Satdeep Gill >> >> >> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 18:38, Ashwin Baindur &lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I was just expressing my concerns. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:24 PM Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Ashwin Sir, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is a matter of one’s personal privacy. Otherwise, I would have >>>> shared the delegate name immediately. This is similar to sharing >>>> Bodisattwa’s talk about 2016 Wikimania where I shared the relevant link on >>>> his personal email. If anyone is not comfortable then why force and take >>>> his name. Yes, 2 lakhs is not the issue but you can see why I had stated so. >>>> >>>> Anyways, I would like to say, in future if I ever need a help from say >>>> Bengali, Punjabi, Oriya community; Bodhisattwa, Satdeep, Subhashish would >>>> be the first people to come and offer their support. There is enough good >>>> in the Indian community and at times it does not get reflected on the >>>> mailing list. 😊 >>>> >>>> Let me tell you, I am working on a GLAM partnership and nobody else >>>> but Satdeep offered me help and support. This happened this Monday itself. >>>> >>>> Discussions and Debates are just a part of the community interactions. >>>> As they say, the democratic process is strengthened more only when you >>>> practice it. By practice only we learn, ‘we learn how to be polite’, ‘how >>>> to maintain friendly space’, ‘how to be kind etc’. Anyways, If I have been >>>> rude, I would like to apologize straight away. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> @ Subhashish: Thank You For The Positive Message. I am also happy to >>>> learn about activities in your User Group. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:57 PM Subhashish Panigrahi < >>>> psubhashish(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Abhinav, I think it's a valid expectation for a public report from >>>>> any volunteer in the movement when the donation money is spent. So, please >>>>> don't apologize to me. But there are many factors — priorities in life, >>>>> time commitment, need for something, and many more that stops one from >>>>> being available for post-event documentation. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe the following would help explain. Our user group tries to >>>>> document a lot. To put things into a perspective, our recent-most event, >>>>> the 16th anniversary of Odia Wikipedia, has a long and detailed >>>>> documentation in Odia (https://or.wikipedia.org/s/1bia) - thanks to >>>>> contributors like Sangram Keshari Senapati, Bikash Ojha and many others who >>>>> managed to document a lot of valuable portions from the discussions. We >>>>> have recorded about 50 Gb of interviews and sessions just during this event >>>>> that we now have no bandwidth to edit and upload. It will take a few more >>>>> months for us to do that. :) >>>>> >>>>> As a new user group, we have also supported neighboring communities >>>>> like Santali where we interviewed many of the active and new Wikimedians >>>>> (almost 50 Gbs of media again) during a workshop that we helped organize >>>>> with support from A2K. >>>>> >>>>> These are just a couple of examples of what we intend to do and how >>>>> things turn up differently in reality. Trust me, we really want to document >>>>> publicly as much as we can and there are genuine factors that slow many of >>>>> us down. But point noted - there is always a room for improvement. I >>>>> personally assumed that as there is a Etherpad note that Tito and others at >>>>> A2K had created during the two-day meeting, sharing that with the community >>>>> was enough. We indeed had a discussion and Sailesh who works at A2K and >>>>> other colleagues at our user group can share more about the same. >>>>> >>>>> Subhashish >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:20 PM Abhinav srivastava < >>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Netha, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had no idea about you neither I am directing at you. This is for >>>>>> other Wikimedias residing in India. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the inconveniences. >>>>>> >>>>>> Abhinav >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 5:18 PM Netha Hussain, &lt;nethahussain(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My response to Abhinav's question, just to clarify about my >>>>>>> attendance at WMCON 18 : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate >>>>>>> in the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of >>>>>>> them was invited? I wish to hear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am an Indian Wikimedian and I was selected by the WMF to >>>>>>> participate in Wikimedia Conference 2018. I attended in my capacity as a >>>>>>> volunteer and delivered the Diversity statement and led the >>>>>>> diversity discussion >>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_2> >>>>>>> there. I was not informed about this Bangalore conference conducted by the >>>>>>> CIS, and I do not expect to be invited because I live in a different >>>>>>> country, and flying me to India would have been very expensive. >>>>>>> Additionally, my role in WMCON 2018 was to talk specifically about >>>>>>> Diversity, which is not exclusively an India-related topic. I did not >>>>>>> represent any affiliate from India, either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The complete list of participants who attended WMCON 18 can be >>>>>>> found here >>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_List> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Netha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 13:28, Abhinav srivastava < >>>>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Tanveer and Subhashish, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank You, Tanveer for acknowledging, responding, apologizing and >>>>>>>> most importantly assuring on transparency. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I still have a few concerns and I wish to write back. I would >>>>>>>> appreciate if I can hear back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1.) Your proposal also mentions on inviting Experienced Indian >>>>>>>> Wikimedians. While, as per your response I do not find any Wikimedian >>>>>>>> attending in this category. I would like to record a suggestion. Bengaluru >>>>>>>> is one of the highly populated cities and also comprising a high number of >>>>>>>> migrant populations. In the upcoming events, you can invite Experience >>>>>>>> Wikimedians from other languages groups which still do not have a User >>>>>>>> Group and are based in Bengaluru. They may not be attending the Wikimedia >>>>>>>> Conference in Berlin, they may not be even from your focused languages. The >>>>>>>> idea is very similar to the statement put forward by your organization and >>>>>>>> Wikimedia India during the Wiki Conference India, “While some communities >>>>>>>> have dynamic leaders and enough community level activity…….this cannot be >>>>>>>> said for all communities.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate >>>>>>>> in the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of >>>>>>>> them was invited? I wish to hear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3.) Once you complete the Meta page, I would request you to >>>>>>>> please share on this thread. I would encourage you and your team to >>>>>>>> document as much as you can about your activities on Meta. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4.) It is already to my understanding that the absence of your >>>>>>>> communication manager has led to defaults in your newsletter. I would like >>>>>>>> to re-iterate as documented on the other mail thread, Wikimedia Communities >>>>>>>> are voluntary driven, some staff should devote time and keep sharing. This >>>>>>>> is just a suggestion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @ Subhashish: Sorry to cross-post a bit from the other thread, I >>>>>>>> happened to miss your last message since another message popped in within >>>>>>>> 10 minutes and I couldn’t distinguish. I believe putting comments about >>>>>>>> your personal experiences at Wikimedia Movements wasn’t the best sportive >>>>>>>> thing one could do. Since those were put on a public thread, so, on a >>>>>>>> public thread, I would like to *apologize*. I still may remain >>>>>>>> unconvinced on not having bandwidth, reports and other issues, but, Yes, I >>>>>>>> shouldn’t have brought your personal story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, I advise Odia User Group to be more active in documenting >>>>>>>> about such works on their Meta page and Village Pump. Our communities are >>>>>>>> too big in nature, they often get sorted into two haves – one who dedicate >>>>>>>> more time to the movement and remain known faces amongst each other, two- >>>>>>>> who edit but devote less time to activities but they also put their >>>>>>>> contributions. There are numerous such silent editors in every community. >>>>>>>> Please take this only to be a suggestion, no negative remarks here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Satdeep : I was expecting to hear from you. As Tanveer, points >>>>>>>> out on having spent roughly Rs 2 lakhs, this is amount is much more than >>>>>>>> that spent on to endorse a scholarship to Wikimania. But that’s not my >>>>>>>> question, I think we should refrain from that on this thread. You were a >>>>>>>> part of the conference were no heeds to transparency and reporting was made >>>>>>>> (even the CIS-A2K staff accepts this). Secondly, you hold a chair in AffCom >>>>>>>> and also a WMF staff (yes part-time). I am of the opinion that neutrality >>>>>>>> has somewhere been disturbed at your end. A personal freindly suggestion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Abhinav >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM Subhashish Panigrahi < >>>>>>>> psubhashish(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Tanveer for this frank clarification. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Abhinav srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt;om>, I didn't check >>>>>>>>> earlier that there is a point concerning me. So just a small clarification >>>>>>>>> - my point was not to show how A2K organized the event in a non-transparent >>>>>>>>> way but to share the fact that I was a participant and did not know very >>>>>>>>> well what went behind organizing the event. Also, I participated in my >>>>>>>>> capacity of a rep of Odia Wikimedians User Group who happened to live in >>>>>>>>> Bangalore (so it was logistically cheaper even though we didn't go to WMCON >>>>>>>>> this year). For the record, Tanveer did share with me about this factor and >>>>>>>>> the second factor — that our UG will be eligible next year to send a rep — >>>>>>>>> for inviting me. My participation was not in the capacity of a former >>>>>>>>> employee of CIS. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subhashish >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM Tanveer Hasan < >>>>>>>>> hasanremembers(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Abhinav, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please find our responses below: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ==Conference== >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru >>>>>>>>>> this summer?: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, we organised a WMCON India 2018 as per our proposal [1] >>>>>>>>>> that was submitted to the FDC in March 2017. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities >>>>>>>>>> were invited? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The delegates were not selected by CIS. Participants >>>>>>>>>> invited/selected by WMF to participate in WMCON 2018 [2] in Berlin were >>>>>>>>>> invited to this meeting. User Group representatives who will be >>>>>>>>>> participating in WMCON 2019 (residing in Bangalore) were invited to >>>>>>>>>> participate as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on >>>>>>>>>> your response to part b) was an official notification sent via village >>>>>>>>>> pump, mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As the participants were already selected by another affiliate >>>>>>>>>> of WMF, we did not want to reinvent the process and hence sent them >>>>>>>>>> personal emails as invite to this conference. We apologise for not sending >>>>>>>>>> out the event agenda and details about the event on mailing list and >>>>>>>>>> village pump of all the Indic communities. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the >>>>>>>>>> process? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Our intention was not to be ‘non transparent’, the participant >>>>>>>>>> list was put up by WMDE Conference organising team and we invited only >>>>>>>>>> those people whose name featured in the official participant list. Sunil >>>>>>>>>> Abraham, Executive Director, CIS and Ananth Subray, Program Associate, A2K, >>>>>>>>>> Subhashish Panigrahi, representing Odia User group and Dr. U.B. Pavanaja, >>>>>>>>>> representing Karavali Wikimedians User Group were the only participants who >>>>>>>>>> were present whose name was not on the Participants list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not >>>>>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the >>>>>>>>>> question is NO)? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to reiterate that our intention was not to be >>>>>>>>>> ‘non-transparent’. A2K team apologises for not sending out adequate >>>>>>>>>> information to communities and requisite channels of communication. We will >>>>>>>>>> strive to improve our communication with the community for all of our >>>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the >>>>>>>>>> community? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a meta page that had been created but has not been >>>>>>>>>> completed. We will priorotise the reporting of this event and revert with >>>>>>>>>> relevant updates. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We used an approximate amount of INR.2 lakh for this event. >>>>>>>>>> Major expenses were incurred in arranging transport and hospitality. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff >>>>>>>>>> during the workshop? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Four members of the CIS-A2K team participated in the meeting. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mr. Sunil Abraham, Executive Director was the chief facilitator >>>>>>>>>> on Day 1. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tanveer Hasan and Tito Dutta were organisers and co-facilitators >>>>>>>>>> for the conversations for both days. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ananth Subray attended the event to coordinate logistics and >>>>>>>>>> reimbursements. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ==Reports== >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly >>>>>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have defaulted on our newsletter because of the exit of our >>>>>>>>>> communications officer. All the reports are updated here [3]. We will also >>>>>>>>>> update reports here [4] at the earliest. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We will do our best to update reports by the end of this month. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1]. >>>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Work_plan_July_2017_-_June_2018/Ski… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [2]. >>>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_L… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [3]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [4]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Reports >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ಭಾನು, ಆಗ 5, 2018 ರಂದು 07:22 ಪೂರ್ವಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Abhinav >>>>>>>>>> srivastava &lt;abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank You Tito for your mail. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would request you to address the issues within 10 days from >>>>>>>>>>> now. This is just a request. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, one of your colleagues and also my friend informed me >>>>>>>>>>> that he wanted to reply but his e-mail is being moderated or blacklisted. I >>>>>>>>>>> have taken this issue with the mailing list admins and the admins have >>>>>>>>>>> looked into the issue clarifying the said collegeue wasn’t moderated or >>>>>>>>>>> blacklisted. In case, any issue still arises, please ping me and I will do >>>>>>>>>>> my best to settle this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank You for writing back. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Abhinav >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018, Tito Dutta &lt;trulytito(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Abhinav, >>>>>>>>>>>> On behalf of the team, I confirm that we have received your >>>>>>>>>>>> questions. Thanks for these questions. >>>>>>>>>>>> We have a hectic schedule right now because of few things such >>>>>>>>>>>> as CIS (the main institution's) strategy meet, staff transition, grant >>>>>>>>>>>> report, and some other works. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Transparency and accountability are very important topics. If >>>>>>>>>>>> things are not clear for a couple of events, we must work on it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some other member or I'll get back with answers in a few days. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (I am cc-ing Sunil Abraham, ED, of the institution, in this >>>>>>>>>>>> email) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> Tito Dutta >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel >>>>>>>>>>>> free to remind me over email or phone call. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 13:47, Abhinav srivastava < >>>>>>>>>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends From CIS-A2K, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing up a discussion based on few of the concerns >>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed on the other mail thread. I would like to acknowledge on record, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the past few years CIS-A2K has reached out to communities (besides Focussed >>>>>>>>>>>>> Language Area) much more effectively. I may be the first person to say this >>>>>>>>>>>>> publicly but I am sure many more would echo my views here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now what concerns me and something CIS-A2K already knows, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when the community has started acknowledging your work much more, CIS-A2K >>>>>>>>>>>>> has been acting as the necessary intervention in times of crisis why >>>>>>>>>>>>> transparency is being not paid its due. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I list some of my questions which everyone is already aware >>>>>>>>>>>>> of and would request a reply. I would request you to not break the bullet >>>>>>>>>>>>> and reply each of them separately. Of course! If you are comfortable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Conference== >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru >>>>>>>>>>>>> this summer? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities >>>>>>>>>>>>> were invited? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on >>>>>>>>>>>>> your response to part b) was an official notification sent via village >>>>>>>>>>>>> pump, mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the process? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not >>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> question is NO)? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the community? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K >>>>>>>>>>>>> staff during the workshop? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Reports== >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly >>>>>>>>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @Satdeep: I could not find any Meta page but I do find a page >>>>>>>>>>>>> which is put under-construction and this mentions you. Were you a part of >>>>>>>>>>>>> this? If Yes, I am not able to understand, the entire argument you had >>>>>>>>>>>>> posted yesterday about reporting guidelines and transparency. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only If, You Were A Party to This. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To Everyone, I understand I may be playing the devil’s role >>>>>>>>>>>>> here. Some of my close aides have already advised me to stay back since I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am damaging my personal reputation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My argument is simple if my personal image promotes >>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusiveness and transparency. 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