Hello Netha,
I had no idea about you neither I am directing at you. This is for other
Wikimedias residing in India.
Sorry for the inconveniences.
Abhinav
On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 5:18 PM Netha Hussain, <nethahussain(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear all,
My response to Abhinav's question, just to clarify about my attendance
at WMCON 18 :
2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate in
the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of them
was invited? I wish to hear.
I am an Indian Wikimedian and I was selected by the WMF to participate
in Wikimedia Conference 2018. I attended in my capacity as a volunteer and
delivered the Diversity statement and led the diversity discussion
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_2>
there. I was not informed about this Bangalore conference conducted by the
CIS, and I do not expect to be invited because I live in a different
country, and flying me to India would have been very expensive.
Additionally, my role in WMCON 2018 was to talk specifically about
Diversity, which is not exclusively an India-related topic. I did not
represent any affiliate from India, either.
The complete list of participants who attended WMCON 18 can be found
here
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_List>
.
Regards
Netha
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 13:28, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Tanveer and Subhashish,
>
>
>
> Thank You, Tanveer for acknowledging, responding, apologizing and most
> importantly assuring on transparency.
>
>
>
> I still have a few concerns and I wish to write back. I would
> appreciate if I can hear back.
>
>
>
> 1.) Your proposal also mentions on inviting Experienced Indian
> Wikimedians. While, as per your response I do not find any Wikimedian
> attending in this category. I would like to record a suggestion. Bengaluru
> is one of the highly populated cities and also comprising a high number of
> migrant populations. In the upcoming events, you can invite Experience
> Wikimedians from other languages groups which still do not have a User
> Group and are based in Bengaluru. They may not be attending the Wikimedia
> Conference in Berlin, they may not be even from your focused languages. The
> idea is very similar to the statement put forward by your organization and
> Wikimedia India during the Wiki Conference India, “While some communities
> have dynamic leaders and enough community level activity…….this cannot be
> said for all communities.”
>
>
> 2.) I am not sure if all those selected by WMF to participate in
> the Wikimedia Conference 2018 were invited. Are you sure every one of them
> was invited? I wish to hear.
>
>
> 3.) Once you complete the Meta page, I would request you to please
> share on this thread. I would encourage you and your team to document as
> much as you can about your activities on Meta.
>
>
> 4.) It is already to my understanding that the absence of your
> communication manager has led to defaults in your newsletter. I would like
> to re-iterate as documented on the other mail thread, Wikimedia Communities
> are voluntary driven, some staff should devote time and keep sharing. This
> is just a suggestion.
>
>
>
> @ Subhashish: Sorry to cross-post a bit from the other thread, I
> happened to miss your last message since another message popped in within
> 10 minutes and I couldn’t distinguish. I believe putting comments about
> your personal experiences at Wikimedia Movements wasn’t the best sportive
> thing one could do. Since those were put on a public thread, so, on a
> public thread, I would like to *apologize*. I still may remain
> unconvinced on not having bandwidth, reports and other issues, but, Yes, I
> shouldn’t have brought your personal story.
>
> Also, I advise Odia User Group to be more active in documenting about
> such works on their Meta page and Village Pump. Our communities are too big
> in nature, they often get sorted into two haves – one who dedicate more
> time to the movement and remain known faces amongst each other, two- who
> edit but devote less time to activities but they also put their
> contributions. There are numerous such silent editors in every community.
> Please take this only to be a suggestion, no negative remarks here.
>
>
>
> @Satdeep : I was expecting to hear from you. As Tanveer, points out on
> having spent roughly Rs 2 lakhs, this is amount is much more than that
> spent on to endorse a scholarship to Wikimania. But that’s not my
> question, I think we should refrain from that on this thread. You were a
> part of the conference were no heeds to transparency and reporting was made
> (even the CIS-A2K staff accepts this). Secondly, you hold a chair in AffCom
> and also a WMF staff (yes part-time). I am of the opinion that neutrality
> has somewhere been disturbed at your end. A personal freindly suggestion.
>
>
>
> Abhinav
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <
> psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tanveer for this frank clarification.
>>
>> @Abhinav srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com>om>, I didn't check earlier
>> that there is a point concerning me. So just a small clarification - my
>> point was not to show how A2K organized the event in a non-transparent way
>> but to share the fact that I was a participant and did not know very well
>> what went behind organizing the event. Also, I participated in my capacity
>> of a rep of Odia Wikimedians User Group who happened to live in Bangalore
>> (so it was logistically cheaper even though we didn't go to WMCON this
>> year). For the record, Tanveer did share with me about this factor and the
>> second factor — that our UG will be eligible next year to send a rep — for
>> inviting me. My participation was not in the capacity of a former employee
>> of CIS. :)
>>
>> Subhashish
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM Tanveer Hasan <
>> hasanremembers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Abhinav,
>>>
>>> Please find our responses below:
>>>
>>> ==Conference==
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru this
>>> summer?:
>>>
>>> Yes, we organised a WMCON India 2018 as per our proposal [1] that
>>> was submitted to the FDC in March 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities were
>>> invited?
>>>
>>> The delegates were not selected by CIS. Participants
>>> invited/selected by WMF to participate in WMCON 2018 [2] in Berlin were
>>> invited to this meeting. User Group representatives who will be
>>> participating in WMCON 2019 (residing in Bangalore) were invited to
>>> participate as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on your
>>> response to part b) was an official notification sent via village pump,
>>> mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives?
>>>
>>> As the participants were already selected by another affiliate of
>>> WMF, we did not want to reinvent the process and hence sent them personal
>>> emails as invite to this conference. We apologise for not sending out the
>>> event agenda and details about the event on mailing list and village pump
>>> of all the Indic communities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the
>>> process?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our intention was not to be ‘non transparent’, the participant list
>>> was put up by WMDE Conference organising team and we invited only those
>>> people whose name featured in the official participant list. Sunil Abraham,
>>> Executive Director, CIS and Ananth Subray, Program Associate, A2K,
>>> Subhashish Panigrahi, representing Odia User group and Dr. U.B. Pavanaja,
>>> representing Karavali Wikimedians User Group were the only participants who
>>> were present whose name was not on the Participants list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not
>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if part d of the
>>> question is NO)?
>>>
>>> I would like to reiterate that our intention was not to be
>>> ‘non-transparent’. A2K team apologises for not sending out adequate
>>> information to communities and requisite channels of communication. We will
>>> strive to improve our communication with the community for all of our
>>> events.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the
>>> community?
>>>
>>> There is a meta page that had been created but has not been
>>> completed. We will priorotise the reporting of this event and revert with
>>> relevant updates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (g) How much funds were involved?
>>>
>>> We used an approximate amount of INR.2 lakh for this event. Major
>>> expenses were incurred in arranging transport and hospitality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff
>>> during the workshop?
>>>
>>> Four members of the CIS-A2K team participated in the meeting.
>>>
>>> Mr. Sunil Abraham, Executive Director was the chief facilitator on
>>> Day 1.
>>>
>>> Tanveer Hasan and Tito Dutta were organisers and co-facilitators for
>>> the conversations for both days.
>>>
>>> Ananth Subray attended the event to coordinate logistics and
>>> reimbursements.
>>>
>>> ==Reports==
>>>
>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly
>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia Meta?
>>>
>>> We have defaulted on our newsletter because of the exit of our
>>> communications officer. All the reports are updated here [3]. We will also
>>> update reports here [4] at the earliest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly?
>>>
>>> We will do our best to update reports by the end of this month.
>>>
>>> [1].
>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Work_plan_July_2017_-_June_2018/Ski…
>>>
>>> [2].
>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Participants%27_L…
>>>
>>> [3].
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports
>>>
>>> [4].
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Reports
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> ಭಾನು, ಆಗ 5, 2018 ರಂದು 07:22 ಪೂರ್ವಾಹ್ನ ಸಮಯಕ್ಕೆ ರಂದು Abhinav
>>> srivastava <abhinav619(a)gmail.com> ಅವರು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ:
>>>
>>>> Thank You Tito for your mail.
>>>>
>>>> I would request you to address the issues within 10 days from now.
>>>> This is just a request.
>>>>
>>>> Also, one of your colleagues and also my friend informed me that he
>>>> wanted to reply but his e-mail is being moderated or blacklisted. I have
>>>> taken this issue with the mailing list admins and the admins have looked
>>>> into the issue clarifying the said collegeue wasn’t moderated or
>>>> blacklisted. In case, any issue still arises, please ping me and I will
do
>>>> my best to settle this.
>>>>
>>>> Thank You for writing back.
>>>>
>>>> Abhinav
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018, Tito Dutta <trulytito(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Abhinav,
>>>>> On behalf of the team, I confirm that we have received your
>>>>> questions. Thanks for these questions.
>>>>> We have a hectic schedule right now because of few things such as
>>>>> CIS (the main institution's) strategy meet, staff transition,
grant report,
>>>>> and some other works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Transparency and accountability are very important topics. If
>>>>> things are not clear for a couple of events, we must work on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some other member or I'll get back with answers in a few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I am cc-ing Sunil Abraham, ED, of the institution, in this email)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Tito Dutta
>>>>> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free
>>>>> to remind me over email or phone call.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 13:47, Abhinav srivastava <
>>>>> abhinav619(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friends From CIS-A2K,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am bringing up a discussion based on few of the concerns
>>>>>> expressed on the other mail thread. I would like to acknowledge
on record,
>>>>>> the past few years CIS-A2K has reached out to communities
(besides Focussed
>>>>>> Language Area) much more effectively. I may be the first person
to say this
>>>>>> publicly but I am sure many more would echo my views here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now what concerns me and something CIS-A2K already knows, when
>>>>>> the community has started acknowledging your work much more,
CIS-A2K has
>>>>>> been acting as the necessary intervention in times of crisis why
>>>>>> transparency is being not paid its due.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I list some of my questions which everyone is already aware of
>>>>>> and would request a reply. I would request you to not break the
bullet and
>>>>>> reply each of them separately. Of course! If you are
comfortable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==Conference==
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) Did CIS-A2K organize a conference/meetup in Bengaluru
>>>>>> this summer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) How were the delegates selected and which communities were
>>>>>> invited?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (c) For all those communities who were invited (based on your
>>>>>> response to part b) was an official notification sent via village
pump,
>>>>>> mailing list, reaching out to User Group representatives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (d) Is there a legitimate reason to be non-transparent in the
>>>>>> process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (e) When a former CIS-A2K staff informed you about not
>>>>>> maintaining transparency why was still no heed paid to it (if
part d of the
>>>>>> question is NO)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (f) Can reports, learning patterns etc be shared with the
>>>>>> community?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (g) How much funds were involved?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (h) What were the responsibilities of different CIS-A2K staff
>>>>>> during the workshop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==Reports==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) What has been stopping CIS-A2K to share their monthly
>>>>>> reports on the mailing list and their Report Section of Wikimedia
Meta?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) Can we hear about the reports, shortly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Satdeep: I could not find any Meta page but I do find a page
>>>>>> which is put under-construction and this mentions you. Were you a
part of
>>>>>> this? If Yes, I am not able to understand, the entire argument
you had
>>>>>> posted yesterday about reporting guidelines and transparency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only If, You Were A Party to This.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To Everyone, I understand I may be playing the devil’s role
here.
>>>>>> Some of my close aides have already advised me to stay back since
I am
>>>>>> damaging my personal reputation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My argument is simple if my personal image promotes
inclusiveness
>>>>>> and transparency. I will be happy to remain a soldier fighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abhinav
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
>>>>>>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
>>>>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
>>>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>
--
Netha Hussain
Institute of Neuroscience and Physiology
University of Gothenburg, Sweden
_______________________________________________
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
_______________________________________________
Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit