Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Program constantly works on is that the the work that your team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists. Basic Community Building is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.) Story-telling for Community Building is the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community. Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community Building is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication. Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
hisham
Hi Hisham,
Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my Nokia phone.
The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.
Pradeep Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Programhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program constantly works on is that the the work that your teamhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists.
- Basic Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building is
the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.)
- Story-telling for Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling is
the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community.
- Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for
Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.
Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
*hisham*
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A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep was also talking of.
On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
Hi Hisham, Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my Nokia phone. The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would continue despite the Chapter or the WMF. Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes. Pradeep
Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Program constantly works on is that the the work that your team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists.
Basic Community Building is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.) Story-telling for Community Building is the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community. Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community Building is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication. Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
hisham
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Hi,
I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be extended to the Chapter as well.
As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community wants but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect.
Pradeep Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep was also talking of.
On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
Hi Hisham, Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my Nokia phone. The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense? I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would continue despite the Chapter or the WMF. Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes. Pradeep Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Programhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program constantly works on is that the the work that your teamhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists.
- Basic Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building is
the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.)
- Story-telling for Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling is
the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community.
- Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for
Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.
Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
*hisham*
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True, but that would probably have to be slightly different as the chapter is volunteer driven. During the AGM we could frame what the chapter should be doing in the next year and review it at the next AGM. We cant have an incentive/penalty as everyone is a volunteer, but it will keep the EC on their toes if they want people to re-elect them.
IMO, the chapter part of this discussion should continue on the chapter members list, lets focus on India Programs here - it would be great if we could get more views on this here to get a feel of what everyone thinks.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:28:36 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
Hi, I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be extended to the Chapter as well. As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community wants but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect. Pradeep
Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep was also talking of.
On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
Hi Hisham,
Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my Nokia phone.
The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.
Pradeep
Handheld
On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Program constantly works on is that the the work that your team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists.
Basic Community Building is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.)
Story-telling for Community Building is the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community.
Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community Building is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.
Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
hisham
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Hi,
Both the members list and the AGM are venues open to members only. How will the community participate in this discussion?
Not all community members are chapter members. I agree with wheredevelsdare, though in that the nAture of the incentives will change for Chapter. But the discussion should happen in a fora accessible to community members.
My last and final take on this discussion isbthat both the Chapter and the Office's plan of action must be guided by community concerns and requirements. These discussions are also better done on wiki than on the mAiling list.
May I propose that these discussions be done on Meta with sufficient notice for all communities in India to participate in the same. Having separate pages for Chapter and Office may help.
Pradeep Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 1:20 PM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
True, but that would probably have to be slightly different as the chapter is volunteer driven. During the AGM we could frame what the chapter should be doing in the next year and review it at the next AGM. We cant have an incentive/penalty as everyone is a volunteer, but it will keep the EC on their toes if they want people to re-elect them.
IMO, the chapter part of this discussion should continue on the chapter members list, lets focus on India Programs here - it would be great if we could get more views on this here to get a feel of what everyone thinks.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:28:36 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
Hi, I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be extended to the Chapter as well. As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community wants but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect. Pradeep Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep was also talking of.
On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530 From: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
Hi Hisham, Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my Nokia phone. The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense? I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would continue despite the Chapter or the WMF. Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes. Pradeep Handheld On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Programhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program constantly works on is that the the work that your teamhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists.
- Basic Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building is
the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.)
- Story-telling for Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling is
the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community.
- Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for
Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.
Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
*hisham*
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com wrote:
A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep was also talking of.
True. It is glaringly unsettling to see community not being consulted on these.
On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.
I think you've made some good points here although it could've been put in a different way. Agree strongly about the need for community assessment of India programs to ensure that it actually ends up helping the community and movement. It is essential to have people from out of the community for any such evaluation. And yes, it helps to have people who're not part of the Chapter EC or the India programs or the WMF board/Advisors evaluating this.
On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
Hi Hisham,
Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my Nokia phone.
Full links updated next to hyperlinks in the mail forwarded below and I'm including them just below this line as well. India Program: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program India Program Team: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team Pilot Designs: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs Basic Community Building: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_B... Storytelling: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling Wikipatrika: meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika
Going forward, we will put the full links in the mails directly. A lot of folks are now accessing stuff directly on their mobiles.
The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
Absolutely on both. More than happy to. (On Wikipatrika, we have already spoken on this matter with the Chapter.)
Wikipatrika is going to need collaboration with a whole host of folks - and in the pilot design page, we've mentioned who all we will reach out to - and these include chapter CIGs / SIGs, for instance.
On story-telling, you're right again - and in fact, quite a few profiles are already there on the chapter site (http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Main_Page as well as http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Featured_Wikimedian/Archive). We're going to try and help accelerate this - and see if there are any modifications we can propose. Will speak to the Chapter on this.
I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
I love this point and the idea! That is exactly what we want. For the current pilot designs, please feel free to make suggestions. For future ones, we will publish them at earlier stages and welcome inputs into the design.
Let me also think through how we can start off pilot designs completely afresh. I'm thinking that we put out a problem statement about something that is important to the community, and then facilitate a ground-up community collaborative design for a pilot? Would be great to hear from anyone and on potential candidates in mind in terms of pilots? Throwing some ideas here
Digital outreach (or a contribution campaign, as it is sometimes called) Similar to Wikiproject Medicine (currently underway in a few Indic languages), how about Wikiproject Software or some other subject (in other or the same communities) Student Clubs (whether in English or in Indic languages)
hisham
On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" hisham@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Folks
One of the aspects that India Program (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program) constantly works on is that the the work that your team (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team) does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress parameters.
India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may not always suceed. We must be bold and try them out - but we must also carefully build these pilots out and measure progress. On the main India Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot Designs (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs) - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs. More will follow as they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists. Basic Community Building (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_B...) is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, Assamese. It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach. This work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger communities (including English.) Story-telling for Community Building (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling) is the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community. Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community Building (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika) is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's newsletter, Wikipatrika. The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication. Do go through these. Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.
The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or with other community members.) Do go through these pilot designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
Best
hisham
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:27, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.comwrote:
The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were efforts undertaken by the Chapter.
IIRC Shiju has been doing the "Basic Community Building" (covering all
aspects of work detail mentioned) for years now with very decent success without calling it one. Pilot is trying something new / untested. May be you should call it a program instead of a pilot.
An example of Indic pilot which I can give is conflict resolution / increasing awareness of Wiki policies / culture to newer/older community members alike through policy pages and sorting uneasiness between new and old editors which exist in few Indic wikis. This will lead to fewer cases of misuse / abuse of wiki-resources against good interest of community / wikimedia at large.(in effect prevent more cases like the recent RfC on a Hindi Wikipedian)
Yes, this is a tough task, there are issues in it, but taking up something like this at least at a smaller level, can be called a pilot, not something that's been proven successful for years now.
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_B...
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org wrote:
Story-telling for Community Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling is the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community.
The Wikimedia India Chapter already runs a section call "Featured Wikipedian" on the chapter wiki. Is this pilot designed to replicate the work that is being already done?
More importantly, why do you believe that the story-telling effort will ultimately motivate more editors to contribute? Sure, I see some potential there for interested Internet users who come across Wikimedia's blog sites, but apart from that? Have you done a *cost-benefit analysis* on whether the story telling initiative is worth spending the time and efforts of your team?
From my own experience, some of the long-term editors are anonymous while
most of the long-term and established editors are quite private to the extent that they would not wish to link their real life with what they do on Wikipedia. I think your efforts are better directed elsewhere "identifying high-potential opportunities, design & implement high-quality pilots".
I am quoting one of the emails you sent as an explanation to the Foundation-l
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Hisham hmundol@wikimedia.org wrote:
The advantage that Trust brings to the table is speed and intensity. I think the nature of the Trust's operations will be to identify high-potential opportunities, design & implement high-quality pilots and transfer learnings to the Chapter, other community groups and the community at large. As and when the Chapter and/or other community bodies have built the capacity to take over projects from the Trust, the Trust will fully facilitate this.
From what I can see, you are simply undertaking projects which can be
organized by Wikimedia India Chapter once it receives funding and engages a part-time employee to help it with that.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be extended to the Chapter as well.
Let's have this discussion on a separate thread. Thanks.
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