New subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Vote for the Conference Logo

28 Sep 2011

 Dear All, 

...

I completly agree with Ganesh. There are more than 1 Bn people in India and most of them
understand Devnagari either by use of Marathi, Hindi or some other languages.

We had raised this point many times and looks like as if the old logo is so close to
somebody's heart (even if it is wrong), it is not been allowed to change. My concern
is that this type of voting was done some weeks back when the new design of logo was
suggested, where is the result of that?

When it clearly reveals the the old logo is Wrong and a common man reads as
"Vikri" and "Chikri", why not to change. Is it going to cost millions
of rs. to change or there is a wastage of millions dollars in this. Why the people are
resisting so much to change. If your own first name is been drafted wrongly by someone by
giving the reason of "flow of design" will you accept that?

Tomorrow, due to some unforeseen things, if we need to change the date or venue for the
wiki-conferecne, will you keep the same header and ask people to find the new date and new
place as it is part of logo?

I also tried in my office to read the logo. 60% people read that as VIKRI and 40% read
that as CHIKRI. No body read that correctly. The main purpose of wiki-conferecne is to
reach as many as people and get more & more new editors and new contributors, then if
the new people of not understanding it, what impression they would be putting in there
mind?

I request all the people to think on this sensibly and change to new logo.
With Regards,

Mandar V. Kulkarni

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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the Conference Logo

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, &lt;wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

The vote has taken place and this matter is now closed.

No more replies on this thread, please!

 When we talk about Wikipedia we have rights to change if it's wrong because that is
the freedom given by FSF community and which carried forward by Wikipedia Community. 
It doesn't matter if we got vote out for new logo, and other says the old logo is
best... I openly like to keep the survey...

For test, I just run a small survey in my office only 4 people, 

And people read it as "Chikree".
 Is there anyone who reads Devnagari properly except those who vote for new logo? 

If your design creates the problem to read/ Understand  it by end user then what is the
use of it.

And I don't mind to read it as " विक्री" conference...  because the way
discussion going for Secretarial post, even issues of logo, even participating
debate...commanding one and above,  The motto of WIKI it's get into the Sale of
WIKIPEDIA, especial India Community,  but definitely don't want to read it as
"चिक्री" conference.

I am sorry, I am too harsh for this but it's the fact.  
I would like others to go through it once again and make the changes if possible. Run a
survey wherever you work and get's the feedback I am sure everyone will say the same
thing. 

Hope the readers understand what is the meaning of freedom and right to act. 

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:39:39 +0530
From: ganeshgajre(a)gmail.com
To: pradeep.mohandas(a)gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the Conference Logo 

I guess,

We are going to the wrong direction. The current logo creating problem to understand what
it means while reading it.

I believe on "Simplicity is always beautiful when it can be understand by all."
The new logo is simple but can understand easily.

Because we are Wikipedians and we read hindi, marathi we feel it's OK...Logo says
"WIKI" but the person who is not familiar to hindi, marathi wikipedia he reads
it as "Vikree" or "Chikree".

I will suggest to keep new logo.

This is suggestion and would like if other members strongly think about it.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pradeep Mohandas &lt;pradeep.mohandas(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:

hi,

I think the decision is pretty clear with a lot more people going for the old logo. The
decision is hence to stick with the current logo.

Just for the sake of completion:
1. Stay with the old logo = 10
2. Change to new logo = 6
3. No clear indication given = 1 (Vishal - although we could include him in the change to
new logo bloc as well as the old logo bloc)

Let's call this discussion closed! I am happy that several people participated in the
process and hope we all continue to do so!

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

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