On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Mandar Kulkarni <mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Dear All,

I completly agree with Ganesh. There are more than 1 Bn people in India and most of them understand Devnagari either by use of Marathi, Hindi or some other languages.

We had raised this point many times and looks like as if the old logo is so close to somebody's heart (even if it is wrong), it is not been allowed to change. My concern is that this type of voting was done some weeks back when the new design of logo was suggested, where is the result of that?

When it clearly reveals the the old logo is Wrong and a common man reads as "Vikri" and "Chikri", why not to change. Is it going to cost millions of rs. to change or there is a wastage of millions dollars in this. Why the people are resisting so much to change. If your own first name is been drafted wrongly by someone by giving the reason of "flow of design" will you accept that?

Tomorrow, due to some unforeseen things, if we need to change the date or venue for the wiki-conferecne, will you keep the same header and ask people to find the new date and new place as it is part of logo?

I also tried in my office to read the logo. 60% people read that as VIKRI and 40% read that as CHIKRI. No body read that correctly. The main purpose of wiki-conferecne is to reach as many as people and get more & more new editors and new contributors, then if the new people of not understanding it, what impression they would be putting in there mind?

I request all the people to think on this sensibly and change to new logo.

With Regards,

Mandar V. Kulkarni

From: ganesh gajre <ganeshgajre@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the Conference Logo

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, <wheredevelsdare@hotmail.com> wrote:

The vote has taken place and this matter is now closed.

No more replies on this thread, please!

When we talk about Wikipedia we have rights to change if it's wrong because that is the freedom given by FSF community and which carried forward by Wikipedia Community.
It doesn't matter if we got vote out for new logo, and other says the old logo is best... I openly like to keep the survey...

For test, I just run a small survey in my office only 4 people,

And people read it as "Chikree".
Is there anyone who reads Devnagari properly except those who vote for new logo?

If your design creates the problem to read/ Understand it by end user then what is the use of it.

And I don't mind to read it as " विक्री" conference... because the way discussion going for Secretarial post, even issues of logo, even participating debate...commanding one and above, The motto of WIKI it's get into the Sale of WIKIPEDIA, especial India Community, but definitely don't want to read it as "चिक्री" conference.

I am sorry, I am too harsh for this but it's the fact.
I would like others to go through it once again and make the changes if possible. Run a survey wherever you work and get's the feedback I am sure everyone will say the same thing.

Hope the readers understand what is the meaning of freedom and right to act.

Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:39:39 +0530
From: ganeshgajre@gmail.com
To: pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com
CC: wikiconference-india@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the Conference Logo

I guess,

We are going to the wrong direction. The current logo creating problem to understand what it means while reading it.

I believe on "Simplicity is always beautiful when it can be understand by all." The new logo is simple but can understand easily.

Because we are Wikipedians and we read hindi, marathi we feel it's OK...Logo says "WIKI" but the person who is not familiar to hindi, marathi wikipedia he reads it as "Vikree" or "Chikree".

I will suggest to keep new logo.

This is suggestion and would like if other members strongly think about it.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

I think the decision is pretty clear with a lot more people going for the old logo. The decision is hence to stick with the current logo.

Just for the sake of completion:
1. Stay with the old logo = 10
2. Change to new logo = 6
3. No clear indication given = 1 (Vishal - although we could include him in the change to new logo bloc as well as the old logo bloc)

Let's call this discussion closed! I am happy that several people participated in the process and hope we all continue to do so!

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

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