On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com> wrote: Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS.

Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem ------------------------------ From: anivar.aravind(a)gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>wrote;wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com> wrote: Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-… -- "[It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information." - Donald Knuth _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

I was not attacking anyone, with reference to the link forwarded, pointing to this statement: I think that almost any argument, on any topic, which has premises beginning with "Jimbo said..." is a pretty weak argument. Surely the merits of the proposal should be primary, not what I happen to think. - Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:32:32 +0530 From: gautam(a)prathambooks.org To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, <wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.aravind(a)gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikanth05(a)gmail.com> wrote: Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-… -- "[It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information." - Donald Knuth _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

So I request that we may all simmer down a bit. If this continues then I would like to join them since I cant beat them. This I shall do by getting upset about the abhorrent word *baingan. *I dont like the taste of Brinjal and I promise to erupt in protest whenever the use of the term brinjal is used on this list, culinary or otherwise. BTW got to place an AFD on [[Brinjal]]. I am NOT joking. I'm serious, Brinjal must go!

From: anivar.aravind(a)gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:20:18 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, <wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com> wrote: It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, <wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com> wrote: I am not much aware about such strange rules in English wikipedia :-) Anivar _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, <wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com> wrote: It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

On 5 January 2012 19:02, Praveen Prakash <me.praveen(a)gmail.com> wrote: Agreed. Extremism, FOSS, Wikipedian or otherwise, isn't a good thing. Choice, on the other hand, is. Thank you. Best, Gautam ________ http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Praveen, I'm assuming good faith in thinking that you do not mean to accuse FOSS advocates of imposing their POV on Wikimedians in general. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur &lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ashwin Baindur &lt;ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: You may use windows or hate brinjal, don't force me to do exactly same as you. I've my own choice (as any one else). _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Please read mails in this thread. Counter acting first mail, some people forwarding the idea that one's contribution is relevant if only they are contributing through a free software. Which is totally wrong.