I'll agree in part; at the same time as being very grateful for the whole
article - they say a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush ;)
Lots of cuts and edits happen in mainstream printed media. I was told
privately that the final cut wasn't shown to the authors or any involved
parties prior to publishing. I guess this is why quality takes a quantum
leap when we go from televised media to print, and from print to web. On my
part, I'd wanted the url "tinyurl.com/WFSOE" to make an appearance, but it
didn't come obviously because of space constraints and priorities not
The wikipedia for schools project had blog posts, pics published immediately
after the 10th anniversary meet in Mumbai, and impacts going outside the
internet/IT/geek universe into places that might have incited more interest
among the newspaper editors/journos. I never contacted any newspaper over it
- a newspaper contacted me. I believe we should get similarly pro-active and
outgoing for other projects as well.
One thing I've noticed is seeing wikipedians forgetting about who their
target audience is when they talk / write about their projects.
For instance, no matter how much we say why we should post pictures to
Wikimedia Commons, as long as we stay trapped in CC-FY-BA (or whatever, I
seriously have no clue) jargon and don't bring out the end impact in
layman's terms with a dollop of emotion, don't expect it to get published.
(Plus, have you tried measuring the number of clicks and mental torture
required for posting multiple images there ?)
Same for the quest for making more Indian language articles - if you tell
people it's for improving that language's wikipedia and then jump into
standards, policies and more jargon, added to that a priestly devotion to
hi-fi words nobody on the street understands, I wouldn't expect so much of a
response. But if we connected it somehow with the honor and pride of the
people whose mother-tongue that language is, then?
So, I would recommend that rather than pondering about what should have been
published, we work on making all Wikipedia projects more newspaper-friendly
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:29 PM, BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
Valid point, Ashwin. But, I don't know how we can
avoid such attribution
In the early days (of Tamil Wikipedia), despite repeated emphasis on not
mentioning individual names, the writers like to mention stories around
individuals. Though the community was understanding, those in the spotlight
bad about it.
That's why, whenever a press enquiry comes to me, I put a disclaimer
the one below (this one was in my email to Radhika of HT):
First of all, as with anything related to Wikipedia, both these projects
owned by the entire community and the names mentioned here are the only
can attach to specific tasks. Both projects had significant participation
at least a dozen Tamil Wikipedians.
I also insist on or directly copy all the concerned wikians on such
Despite that they like to use names. But, with such practices, we can at
include more contributors. Particularly in long format articles (like the
Indian Express eye magazine), the writers have room to mention many people.
We also faced the downside of not putting any name forward in one instance.
During the collaboration with Tamil Nadu government, while a few of us
interacted with the government, many others worked online for the contest.
we repeatedly emphasised not putting the select few names anywhere. But,
the announcement ceremony, the IT minister personally wanted us to be
and sent a written note to the person on the podium. In the confusion, he
thanked some non-wikipedians for the whole effort!
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
----- Original Message ----
From: Ashwin Baindur
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 8:56:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia.IN the news - Mumbai Hindustan
13th Feb 2011 (CherianTinu Abraham)
The Pune chapter gave details of all its multi-facetted incentives for
W10 including Wikimedia Commons,Marathi Wikipedia. article improvement
program etc to Radhika Raj, the reporter of Hindusthan Times but she
chose to highlight Wikipedia for Schools aspect only and it appears
that the Pune guys are doing nothing else. Wikipedia for Schools is
being done by Nikhil Sheth alone not the whole Pune community so to
say, so its unfair to both - Nikhil who has to share credit and the
community which was selectively ignored. Imho there is a trend of
giving too much emphasis on "Wikipedia Warriors" and less on the work
being done which is not healthy.
I didn't want to actually mention this lest people consider it as a
case of sour grapes, but I felt we needed to view this piece of
publicity from all aspects, not just by being glad at being portrayed
in the press.
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