Dear All,
It is very disturbing to see this kind of language for a past president of
Wikimedia Foundation's India Chapter! I do not want to go into merits of
stands each one are having (for the sake of argument, let's even believe
that Sudhanwa sir is wrong here), but this kind of language is not our
heritage is for sure!
This could have been said in a better way too without accusations (please
note once we start accusing, we cannot cry foul when another person accuses
us in return). I strongly condemn all these baseless accusations. I know
Sudhanwa sir in person and it will take many lives for us his greatness and
his contribution to Wikipedia and Open Source movement! (BTW he is pioneer
of FOSS activities in Pune). He is so great that I also do not know his
greatness in totality. I have understood it in bits and pieces these things
indirectly, because he does not tell them by his own mouth.
This kind of thinking is definitely not mine and I have learned it from
Mahatma Gandhi from his book titled 'My Non Violence' which can he
found on this
<https://www.mkgandhi.org/mynonviolence/my_nonviolence.htm>link. It is
freely available in public domain.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
--
*Dr. Abhijeet Safai*
(Election Committee Member of Wikimedia Foundation's India Chapter
Elections in 2017)
On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:51 AM medhavi gandhi <medhavigandhi(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Sudhanwa,
As the founder of The Heritage Lab, your email came across as very amusing
to me.
Allow me to elaborate -- in the "heritage labs" (gosh, I wish you would
get the name right at least) - we don't "build heritage". Actually
heritage
refers to something we "inherit". What we do is create ways for people to
access and engage with that inheritance, specifically cultural inheritance.
I would normally pass off your response as a very typical
'troll-behaviour' one, and ignore it -- but you're a member of the Wiki
community and I find it important therefore to urge you to understand terms
such as *post-colonial and post-independence*. The post-colonial period
typically begins with independence but the challenges and issues faced by
India in these phases can be distinct -- post colonialism often involves
addressing the specific legacies of colonialism (ones that we continue to
suffer today).
I'm usually up for a debate - but why I find your response to be typical
of "Troll behaviour" is that *your comment lacks any research on our work
*-- you simply tried to discredit us and "rant". When you use words like
"seems like" -- you make it very clear that you could not be bothered
enough to check the link and understand if we have at all covered ancient
India / or other "thousands of years of history, culture and heritage" in
other ways. If you had indeed bothered, you would probably come across some
interesting stories - like one about a 2000 year old artefact clicked by a
Wiki-community member during our campaign last year.
*What I find shameful *about this entire exchange is that you, a
Wikipedian -- who is meant to check for reliable citations before editing a
Wiki page and is meant to gather information in an appropriate manner in
order to spread knowledge, couldn't even cross check before writing an
email to the entire list.
I wish you better mental health and positivity this festive season. There
is enough hatred in this world and we don't need more of this behaviour.
Thanks, anyway.
Medhavi
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> I am wondering what kind of heritage these people are building in heritage
> labs!!
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> Even the theme says post colonial India!!
>
> Looks like they have nothing to do with our history, culture, heritage of
> thousands of years.
>
> Probably, they still want to remain in the colonial India heritage. That
> can't even say post independence activities.
>
>
> Shameful.
> And Wikipedia is supporting it in the name of spreading knowledge!!
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> On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, 8:22 AM Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > *Forwarding the following message on behalf of Arunesh Varade, The
> > Heritage Lab*
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > The Heritage Lab <https://www.theheritagelab.in/culture-events/> is
> > organizing two Wiki contests
> > <
>
https://www.theheritagelab.in/world-heritage-week-contest-monuments-museums…
> in
> > the month of November on the occasion of World Heritage Week and Wiki
> Asian
> > Month.
> >
> > First contest is an edit-a-thon where open access content from GLAMs
> would
> > be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons with relevant data to improve the
> > accessibility of these images.
> >
> > The second contest is where people can share the stories of visiting
> > museums. It can be a photo essay, illustration, etc. The submissions in
> > this contest will be uploaded on Commons and the best entries from them
> > will be rewarded.
> >
> > We have exciting prizes for the winners so we look forward to your
> active
> > participation in both these events.
> >
> > Further, we have also opened applications for the second edition of Open
> > Knowledge Fellowship
> > <https://www.theheritagelab.in/open-knowledge-museums-india/> where we
> > host a cohort of fellows to research and create new knowledge about
> Indian
> > art and cultural heritage and contribute the same to Wikimedia projects.
> >
> > Please pass on the word to the people who would be interested in being a
> > part of this.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards,
> > Arunesh Varade
> > on behalf of The Heritage Lab
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