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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Individual membership of Wikimedia Chapter is now open.
by wheredevelsdare＠hotmail.com 15 May '11

15 May '11

Hi Rohini/Srikanth, I had a look at the form that was kindly provided to us at the Pune meeting (for discussion of WikiConference India, Mumbai 2011) by Arjuna this afternoon. NEFT is an option on the form and I feel the best option. Costs Rs.5 to process (any bank, anywhere in India) and available at ANY bank YOU bank with. All you need to do is go to your own bank with the Chapters bank A/c details (on the form), tell them you want to make and NEFT transfer (aka internet transfer) - they will process it for you. I am sure all of us have ATLEAST one personal bank A/c and this should not be an issue. Kind Regards, User:AroundTheGlobe

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Support from Karnataka Gov. and Samskrita Bharati
by Theo10011 14 May '11

14 May '11

Hi The issue about a 1 Cr. grant from Karnataka government for Sanskrit wikipedia was brought up on this list earlier, last year. I saw this recent discussion on Sanskrit Wikipedia between a couple of editors about that grant and support from Samskrita Bharati, have their been any new developments related to it? http://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%… (the discussion is in English) Salmaan (User:Theo10011)

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Election 2011 Results Available
by Srikanth Lakshmanan 14 May '11

14 May '11

Attention : Bot operators All Constituency wise election results for all the 5 states available here at http://bit.ly/jaFNTh Regards Srikanth.L

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[Uploads to Commons] Geocoding and Multilingual descriptions
by Srikanth Ramakrishnan 12 May '11

12 May '11

Heya all, Yesterday, at the 32nd Bangalore Meetup, Shubhashish, Ralph, Aniruddh and I had a talk, and I decided to send this mail across. Not all people know about geocoding images, or adding multilingual descriptions. I thought I would give a brief introduction to these two concepts. Please NOTE : All examples used below are images uploaded by me. *1> Multilingual Descriptions:* While uploading a file, it is best recommended, to add a brief description. By default, the language setting is English. However you cann add as many as you want, and in the order of your preference. I use Hindi first, and then English. EG: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Central-Silk-Board-Flyover.jpg I suggest adding descriptions in your local language and/or mother tongue apart from English. It is irrelevant whether the language in which you type has any connection the the picture. I have uploaded pictures of Tamil Nadu with Hindi descriptions. You can type in Indian languages using http://www.Quillpad.in or http://www.google.com/transliterate/ Alternatively, you can use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keymanweb/Keymanweb on Wikipedia itself. *2> Geocoding images* Geocoding is a relatively easy process. You can use http://tools.freeside.sk/geolocator/geolocator.html to generate geolocation tags. The process is simple, open Google Maps/Wikimapia/Open Street Maps, locate the place in question, and copy the link, in Wikimapia, from the address bar, Google maps, click on link, copy the first link, in OSM, click on permalink, copy from address bar and paste it in the box on the link given above. Click on Apply, it'll show the location in the map. Zoom in and give final adjustments, if any to the location and copy the tags below. I suggest {{location}} over {{coord}} as the latter is being depreciated. Among the two {{location}} tags, I use the longer one. Add the location tags to the additional info box while uploading. Note: i] For some images, getting a location is easy. Eg: In http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RCC-Magic-Box-Hosur-Road.jpg it was easy as the picture's location is an important junction on a major road. Locating it on the maps was an easy task. ii] For some pictures, it wasn't so easy, like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NH-209-Dimbam_Ghat.jpg I didn't know where to place the exact marker, so I chose a hairpin bend from the map that seemed most likely or close to the one I photographed. [ *For those who have GPS enabled devices with you: Try saving the location, or like I discovered later on, tweet out the something with locations enabled and favourite that tweet for easy access later on.* ] I bookmarked, the Commons Upload Form, GeoLocator, and the Indic Text tool on my browser bookmarks toolbar so it can be opened as and when I take a photograph. If anybody has any problems or issues with the above matter, please let me know. I'll be happy to help you out in any event you haven't understood what I mentioned. Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan User:Rsrikanth05 @rsrikanth05 -- Regards, ME. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement My infrastructure invasion... plus other images too.. on Wikimedia Commons. http://bit.ly/d50SIq

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Report on Bangalore WikiMeetUp on 2011April08
by Subhashish Panigrahi 12 May '11

12 May '11

Hi All, Welcome from Bangalore Wikipedians! The 33rd Bangalore WikiMeetUp<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore33>was organised at 3 PM, CIS, Domlur, Bangalore attended by 19 Wikipedians including Wikimedia Board of Trustee member Bishakha Datta, Hisham Mundol from India Programs, Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia India Chapter Executive Committee members. Here is a brief summary of some of the major talks and discussions. Hisham introduced the ongoing programs of Foundation focused on the outreach of Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects to masses and bring out potential editors for both English and Indic Wikipedias. The primary structure of new projects for India includes creating awareness through various media with a prime focus on Digital Media (Central Notice, Social Networks, Video Editing, etc) and campus programs like Pune Pilot Project. The present campus program also encompasses on educating students as well as teachers about the importance of Wikipedia and Potential of Wikipedia in Classrooms. The model structures from US campus programs which gave rise to a huge some 962 good quality articles could be also a beneficial factor to be imparted with an Indian context. He also insisted using repeatability impact of core messages during the outreach programs like [Edit] India!. And also during this sort of campaigns a student-teacher correlation and collaborative effort will give birth to not only a handy, easily searchable modern tool but also an imperative knowlegde base for various age groups and professions. These campus programs will also make a student-teacher relationship better to join hands and produce authentic, reliable source of information and make conventional education easier rather than creating cracks in the existing education system, the mission is to bridge the gaps, not expanding them. The campus program will also facilitate extensive support for training on editing, motivation for both student and teachers, monitoring the strategic implementation by campus ambassadors. The Pune Pilot project will be a learning sessions and infancy of future outreach campaigns for India. The 2nd Talk of the day was by EC President Arjuna which started by introduction of the EC members Gautam, Anirudh, Arun to the attendees. He shared the following points a) Formulation of several guidelines of the approved India Chapter membership. The chapter has opened a bank account and will soon be opening the membership. All Indian nationals of/above 18 with contact address in India can become members. An online form will be made available, which needs to be filled and then printed. The printed form after signing can be sent to chapter office along with payment details. He shared the benefits of membership and encouraged all the participants to become members once the membership is open. b) He also shared the idea of designing Wikimedia Chapter brochures in English and native languages. He shared a sample brochure to explain the key expectations from the brochure. c) He said that city/language subcommittee is being launched soon and invited community members to propose Wikimedians to serve on the same. Finally WMF Board of Trustee member Bishakha Datta shared a brief talk about her current role with the foundation and possible major goals, involvement of Women Wikipedians, socio-economic strategies and progressive growth in the field of Art, Culture and Communication. * * *(Report prepared with support from Hisham and Arjun. Guidance from Tinu Cherian)* * * Thanks * ସୁଭପାSubhaPa ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ _______________________________________________ Wikipedia Odia (Oriya) mailing list wikipedia-or(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or facebook.com/OdiaWiki Tweet @OdiaWiki *

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Interview with Hisham
by Gerard Meijssen 11 May '11

11 May '11

Hoi, Hisham was so cool as to answer 10 questions I put in front of him. I think it is an interesting read. I hope you do too. Thanks, GerardM http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/05/interview-with-hisham-mundol.ht…

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[Press]: The Indian Express : "2, 155 images uploaded in record 23 days"
by CherianTinu Abraham 11 May '11

11 May '11

*The Indian Express : "2,155 images uploaded in record 23 days"* http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/2155-images-uploaded-in-re… *The Malayalam Wiki Community is in high spirits.* *The programme, ‘Malayalam Loves Wikimedia’ event organised as part of **improving the database as well as to attract more Malayalam speaking users to the Wikimedia movement is a big hit.* *As many as 2,155 copyright-free licensed images have been contributed to Wikimedia Commons within a short period of 23 days. Wikimedia Commons is an online repository of free-use images, sound and other media files. Inspired by the success of Wikimedia events such as ‘London loves Wikimedia’, the programme ‘Malayalam Loves Wikimedia’ was organised to create awareness about copyright-free images, Wikimedia Commons and to attract more Malayalam speaking users to the Wikimedia movement.* * * *As many as 75 Malayalis, majority of them non-wikimedians, participated in the event which was organised between April 2 and April 25.* *The wikimedians selected April considering the Assembly election at that time.* *According to them, the election was the perfect time to capture the images of the notable politicians and important personalities of Kerala. * *The speciality of the event was that many non-wikimedians, who were eager to contribute to the Wikimedia, got an opportunity to be part of it.* * * *The 2,155 copyright-free images uploaded are on diverse topics. This includes images of famous personalities, buildings, places, equipment and even popular snacks.* *Second standard student Sai K Shanmugam was the youngest contributor.* *He provided 14 images to the Wikimedia Commons.* *The highest number of uploads was on April 25, the last day of the event. As many as 343 images were uploaded on that day.* * * *“This is not the first time Malayalam wikimedians are contributing to the Wikimedia Commons. During the past few years we have contributed more to 6,000 free-licensed images to Wikimedia Commons. Through this event we have added another 2,000. We are planning for more topic-based events in the near future,” the organisers said.* Regards Tinu Cherian http://wikimedia.in/wiki/In_the_news#May_2011

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Hindi Wikipedia set to cross 1 lakh article milestone
by CherianTinu Abraham 11 May '11

11 May '11

Hi, If you have not noticed, Hindi Wikipedia set to cross 1 lakh article milestone in a very short while ...Advance congratulations on the efforts of Hindi Wikipedians. Currently it has over 96,600+ articles. http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics There were approximately 53,000 articles on 1 Jan 2010 and 58,000 in 31 Dec 2010, with a leap of 7000+ articles in 12 months. During Jan-May 2011, the increase was a staggering 38,000+ articles. Some other stats here http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaHI.htm Just curious to know, can somebody share some light on the top article creators during this time ? Regards Tinu Cherian

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IMPORTANT: Mumbai X to discuss WikiConference India 2011
by wheredevelsdare＠hotmail.com 11 May '11

11 May '11

Hiya, As you may be aware, at Mumbai IX, the community discussed an idea that was floated some time ago on this mailing list - to hold an Indian National WikiConference in Mumbai around November 2011. We invited Pune to co-host the event - they have been positive and will discuss the issue during their meet-up on 14 May 2011. The India Chapter Committee have been informed as well, they too seemed positive and will be sending a representative to the meeting in Pune. Kundan and myself will be representing the Mumbai Community at that meet which will also be attended by Bishakha (Foundation Trustee) and Hisham (Consultant, Wikimedia India Programs). As a follow up of the above mentioned event, Mumbai X will be held at the offices of Pinstorm (Santacruz) on 21 May 2011 (Saturday). We humbly request everyone from the Mumbai Community to attend this important meetup as we hope to kick-start the organisation of the above event on this day. Those attending kindly sign up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mumbai/Mumbai10 Looking forward to seeing a massive turnout at the meetups and hope this sparks local interest in offline Wikipedia activities. Kind Regards, User:AroundTheGlobe

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright problems
by Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia 11 May '11

11 May '11

Dear All, Thanks for beginning discussion on this important topic,Pandarpur and God Viththal is very old and very central to Marathi and Maharashtra culture, I still remember few years back I failed to upload an image of God Vitthala of Pandharpur on commons, subsequently some one succeeded to upload an image under proper license. While it is true that we need to believe in people, I have very closely observed quite a few people selecting some license for the sake of it or just to retain the image. While it is true that now that Vithathal image is there on wikipedia pages,still I am not sure how far legal it is ? while god is one or many, for Indian Legal system idols in temples are treated as person and those are public places but not necessarily in public domain per say, many temples across India you will notice having notice boards which strictly prohibit taking a photo graph of the idol and temple; I dont know why this system exist in the temple but when it is there we are supposed to comply the law. Why we need to be concerned ? So an image coming without permission from temple authority is anyway illegal.What we need to understand is not that we are concerned about copy right for the sake of it, we ( commons/wikipedia) are concerned of the issue because we just do not want to do a collection of information and knowledge, but we share, and we do not want just share through wikipedia site but we want wikipedias to be a vehicle of knowledge sharing where other medias of communication can come forward to take this info and knowledge to masses. When we share info knowledge with other media people, they will do so only if they are assured that material available at wikipedias is legal enough. There is total lack of awareness , concern and sensitivity and above all Law is a complex subject. Given that, the funny thing is you go to a person with a request to make otherwise an unimportant thing copy right free he may not co-operate ask you thousand frustrating questions, but the same fellow you may find,floating copy-right of others happily every now and then At Wikipedia for many Indians, it is there first time in life time that some one is asking them about copy right, they are simply surprised in disbelief and usually they are so passionate about their subject at their hand at least until they receive several requests/warnings they happily tend to ignore such communications . And why not so ? just few years back,to write copyright related help pages (on marathi wikipedia), I thought to procure few Copyright related books from the market, In Pune I went from shop to shop what I could get just a bare act copy.Only one shop was carrying book with detail commentary and the price he told me for the same was just Rs 12000!.Then at least for few months I tried to get an appointment with a law college principal and simply all that effort turned out to be futile without getting an appointment ever. Servers are in USA! So can I bypass the Indian laws ? Again I see a huge number of people using fair use clause for uploading images on Wikipedia, and that too under provisions of non-Indian laws ! Whether servers are in USA and some thing is legal under their law suffice the requirements of Indian Laws ? When a kite is floating from Indian soil to out of India border or a kite is floating in Indian sky from out side India,is it not an Indian law, at least to all Indian subjects, is supposed to get applied ? Accepted that intellectual property acts in most countries are similar now a days but those simply can not be the same because laws are subject to final definition by supreme judiciary of each country independently. How fair is the fair use under Indian Laws? While I dont have a detail commentary of Indian Copy right law , what I read until now is bare copyright law .My understanding is while Indian Copy Right act has provisions of fair dealing but those concessions are largely for educational and restricted community performances. While Wikipedia has educational component and non profit but we are not a website that restricts other making profit from the info available on it so in perfect sense we are not supposed to get concessions on account of fair use/deal under present Indian Copy right act; unless owner of the copyright himself permits such usage. Similar to commons,unlike to english wikipedia, I have kept a proposal on Marathi Wikipedia to bar usage of fair use provision since according to me we (wikipedia and indic wikipedians) are not supposed to benefit any concession under Indian Copyright fair use clause. We do lack enough legal expertise at mr-wiki community,so inputs on this issue from other indic wikipedians are most welcome ,imporant and will be valuable to us all. Look forward to read more opinions on above issues and continued discussion of copyright subject on this forum Thanks Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia ________________________________ From: "wikimediaindia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <wikimediaindia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tue, 10 May, 2011 12:18:54 PM Subject: Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17 Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimediaindia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimediaindia-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: Copyright problems of images from India (Sreejith K.) 2. Re: Fwd: Copyright problems of images from India (wheredevelsdare(a)hotmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:48:23 +0530 From: "Sreejith K." <sreejithk2000(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Copyright problems of images from India To: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <BANLkTinaqSxY1=q4WnrnGcYDxTgv2F6J_Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All paintings of Hindu deities are not copyright free. There are clauses for it. As per Indian copyright act, only paintings that were published 60 years before are in public domain. Now the question here is how to prove the age of the painting. Lets take a different example, may be Lord Ram or Lord Shiva. How can we prove the age of the painting? In one discussion, a commons admin asked me to find a book that was published 60 years back in which this image is included. I need not explain the difficulty in getting such a proof. Similar case with photographs of images before 1943. Colorization does not add new copyright, unless they add changes to it which makes it significantly different from the original. Now, how do you prove the images of such photographs? These photographs were taken during their lifetime and probably belongs to their family when it was taken. As per current rules in Commons, the family will have to send OTRS saying that the image belongs to them. Even then, someone could say that the photographer is not from their family and so the OTRS cannot be accepted. See this example -> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_undeletion#File:Varg… There are a lot of copyright violation photos uploaded to Commons. In between those deletions, a lot of genuine photographs get deleted for lack of proof. The concern here is on how to save them. - Sreejith K. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 1) >>Ayyappan, a popular god of Kerala, has his image circulated > everywhere on the plant with no proof of copyrights. It makes sense to > believe that this image is not eligible for copyright because > Hindu deities are all common property, > > i have to disagree with this. All images of Hindu deities are not public > property. Most of the popular images were done by painters some time in the > immediate past - Ravi varma's paintings form the base for many deity images. > Similarly there are many unknown temple artists, who have gone uncredite > because of our practice of gross insensitivity to others' copyright. > Claiming that deity images are not eligible for copyright is wrong. They do > have copyright and unless there is iron clad proof of publication, dont > decalre them to be in public domain. The fairuse clause is there for cases > like this. > > > 2) While i understand what sreejith is saying, repeated copyright > violations in commons by Indian uploaders is mainly to blame for this > backlash. In Ta wiki and in commons, i have to repeat many times to people > that "everything that comes out of google image search is not free". In my > experience, about half the people react defensively to such advice and > reflexively claim the image is "own work" and they "took it". They do not > like being pointed out they are wrong and thus damage the reputation of > Indian uploaders further. Many of the regular commons users thus become > immediately suspicious when a new indian user claims that an image is "own > work". Even in the outreach programs i participated, people listen to me > drone about how taking images of google image search is not ok and do the > same the immediately after. This issue is not restricted to Indian users, > but is a major problem for us. The only way to deal with this is a > relentless copyright awareness campaign for Indian users. > > 3) Images of people who died prior to 1951. Here too the case is not clear. > Many photos of such people are reconstructive work done post-1951. > Colourisation of black and white pictures is a major concern. I am still not > clear, if colourisation passes the originality threshold and becomes a > original work on its own. If so, then such a work cannot be claimed as PD. > > Personally i add a ton of descriptive information and long arguments to > prove PD in india and in case of my own images, i always upload with full > resolution and metadata. It is a sad bad situation, but the root cause is > relative ignorance of Indians (including me) about copyright. > > regards > Bala > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> I am forwarding the below mail on behalf of a Malayalam wikipedian who is >> very active in Wikimedia Commons. >> >> Of late it is becoming very difficult for many Wikimedians from India to >> contribute to Wikimedia Commons especially if they are uploading historical >> images which are in PD. We are facing lot of issues (and many a times >> unnecessary controversies also) with the historic images in PD, images of >> wall paintings and statues, and so on. Please see the below mail in which >> Sreejith citing various examples. >> >> It is almost impossible for the uploaders from India to show proof of the >> century old images of Hindu Gods and Goddesses. The current policies of >> Commons are not permitting many of the PD images from India citing all sorts >> of policies which might be relevant only in the western world. With these >> type of policies we are going to have serious issues when we try to go for >> GLAM type events. >> >> But I also do not know the solution for this issue. Requesting >> constructive discussion. >> >> >> Shiju Alex >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Sreejith K. <sreejithk2000(a)gmail.com> >> Date: Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:03 PM >> Subject: Copyright problems of images from India >> To: Shiju Alex <shijualexonline(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> Shiju, >> >> As you might be aware already, we are having trouble keeping historical >> images about India in Wikimedia commons. This pertains mostly to images >> about Hindu gods and people who died before 1947. >> >> Please see the below examples: >> >> - File:Narayana >>Guru.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Narayana_Guru.jpg> - >> This is the image of Sree Narayana >>Guru<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayana_Guru>, >> a Hindu saint, social reformer and is even considered a god by certain >> castes in Kerala. This image has been tagged as an image with No source. >> Narayana Guru expired in 1928 and considering the conditions in which India >> was in during that period and before, it is very difficult to get an image >> source online. Most active Wikipedians does not have access or information >> on how old the image is or where a source of it can be found. Any >photograph >> published before 1941 in India is in public domain as per Indian copyright >> act. Common sense says that this image meets this criteria because the >> person was long lead before 1941, but we still need proof of the first >> publishing date. Deleting this image on grounds that no source could be >> found will only reduce the informative values of all the articles which >this >> image is included in. >> - File:Aravana.JPG: This image has already been deleted, but you can >> see the amount of discussion that went in before deleting it. See >>Commons:Deletion >> >>requests/File:Aravana.JPG<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aravana.JPG>. >> >> (An almost similar image can be found >>here<http://www.flickr.com/photos/anoopp/5706721852/in/photostream/>.)This >> image as put for deletion because it had the image of Swami >>Ayyappan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Ayyappan>in it. Ayyappan, a popular >>god of Kerala, has his image circulated >> everywhere on the plant with no proof of copyrights. It makes sense to >> believe that this image is not eligible for copyright because >> Hindu deities are all common property, but again, Commons need proof that >> the image is in public domain. This is the same case with all Hindu >> gods/goddesses. The images can only be kept in Commons if the uploader can >> provide proof that the images are in public domain. >> - File:Kottarathil >>sankunni.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kottarathil_sankunni.jpg>: >> This is a picture of Kottarathil >>Sankunni<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kottarathil_Sankunni>, >> the author of the famous book >>Aithiyamaala<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aithihyamala>. >> Kottarathil Sankunni died in 1937 and so it makes sense to believe that >this >> image was created on or before 1937 and thus falls in Public Domain. But >> some people in Commons is refusing to believe that and is asking for proof. >> Now it becomes the responsibility of the uploader to show proof that this >> image was published 60 years before today. The editor who nominated the >> image for deletion is on the safer side because it is not his >responsibility >> to prove that the image is a copyright violation. So long story short, >> anyone can nominate any image for copyright violation and it becomes the >> uploaders responsibility to prove that its not. The deletion nomination >need >> not be accompanied with a reason for disbelief. >> - File:Anoop >>Menon.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anoop_Menon.jpg>: >> This is the picture of Anoop >>Menon<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoop_Menon>, >> a popular actor from Kerala. A discussion is going on about the uploaders >> credibility whether he is the original photographer of this image. Please >> see File talk:Anoop >>Menon.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Anoop_Menon.jpg>. >> The reason for doubting the uploader is simple. This image has professional >> quality and so the uploader cannot be the copyright owner because this is >> his first upload. Strange? Now, it becomes the responsibility of the >> uploader to prove that he took this image and I do not know how and nor >does >> the person who is arguing for it. He claims that the uploader can upload >the >> full resolution image with EXIF but whats even funny is that most of images >> from the person who is saying this does not meet this criteria. Again, back >> to round 1 in my first example. Its the responsibility of the uploader to >> prove his image and anyone can doubt him for any stupid reason and commons >> hardly cares. >> >> As you can see, it is getting quite difficult to maintain images from >> India in commons. India is a country which has only started to use Internet >> less than a decade ago and we still do not have many of our countries' books >> or sources of information online. So any image from India which gets >> nominated for deletion in Wikimedia Commons get deleted for absence of >> proof. Commons is ruled by *precautionary principle*, where in they are >> not willing to take any risks on copyright and will delete any image for >> which anyone has doubts. This is in contrary to local wikipedia projects in >> India where it is rules by the *good faith principle* where we will trust >> the uploader and it becomes the responsibility of the nominator to prove >> that the image has false copyright claim. >> >> This issue is beginning to hurt the contents from India. If we can do >> something, its time we act immediately. If we are just going to just spent >> out time discussing about it, the pictures of all Hindu gods and people who >> died before independence might get deleted by that time. >> >> Regards, >> Sreejith K. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >

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