its nice idea most just usurp the english policies to start with anyway when they need it so having a base line on meta would be good though probably it would best to have it set up automatically in the incubator stage so that they get moved across when the projects takes the big leap forward and the community that develops the project can develop these policies as they grow. It also means that as part of the jump these pages will need to have been translated as well. note I'm currently involved with a wikipedia in the the incubator On 2 August 2017 at 22:29, Tito Dutta <trulytito(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com

I oppose to that. Like that communities with bigger number, i.e. English, will impose their rules to other communities. It's a basic fundamental principle of Wikimedia projects since the beginning that every community is independant, JP On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:19 PM John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote: ​The English Wikivoyage has a "Be fair" policy, which is explicitly different from NPOV [0].​ Copyright also varies from wiki to wiki, as fair use for non-free content on the English Wikipedia exemplifies [1]. Things are not so simple. ​​ ​0. https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Be_fair#Neutral_point_of_view​ ​1. ​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content -- ~Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email address is in a personal capacity.

Is it wise for the Foundation to be seen to controlling content in this way? Would that not jeopardise their legal immunity? "Rogol" On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Sam Wilson <sam(a)samwilson.id.au> wrote:

I used Wikipedia as an example, I would not expect core content policy from Wikipedia to be a good fit for Wikivoyage. Still Wikivoyage could have common ploicies on Meta the same way Wikipedia would do. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Common core policies should be on Meta, not Incubator. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I believe policies on subprojects of Wikipedia are common by necessity, while the policies of Wikipedia and Wiktionary are common by coincidence. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net&gt; wrote:

What happens now is that policies from enwiki is adopted "as is", but a lot of the rules enwiki does not make sense at all. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland &lt;jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca > I oppose to that. Like that communities with bigger number, i.e. English, > will impose their rules to other communities. It's a basic fundamental > principle of Wikimedia projects since the beginning that every community is > independant, > > JP > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:19 PM John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com> > > I wonder if deviation away from a central core policy should be banned. > > That view is probably not very popular. > > > > Jeblad > > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com> > > > > its nice idea most just usurp the english policies to start with anyway > > > when they need it so having a base line on meta would be good though > > > probably it would best to have it set up automatically in the incubator > > > stage so that they get moved across when the projects takes the big > leap > > > forward and the community that develops the project can develop these > > > policies as they grow. It also means that as part of the jump these > > pages > > > will need to have been translated as well. > > > > > > note I'm currently involved with a wikipedia in the the incubator > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 August 2017 at 22:29, Tito Dutta &lt;trulytito(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Some works and study was done for Indic Wikimedia projects (there are > > 24 > > > > communities) after a detailed consultation and needs-assessment, > please > > > > see: > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indic_Wikipedia_ > > > > Policies_and_Guidelines_Handbook.pdf > > > > There are three types of issues: > > > > a) Localizing policies (translating is not the only way, but > localizing > > > > keeping a project in mind) > > > > b) Enforce them > > > > c) For smaller communities having a group of editors working on these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tito Dutta > > > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to > > > remind > > > > me over email or phone call. > > > > > > > > On 2 August 2017 at 19:35, John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core content > > > > policies, > > > > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a lot of > the > > > > > smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial > policies. > > It > > > > > takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them updated. > > > > > > > > > > Creating and maintaining the core content policies should not be > > > > something > > > > > that small projects should invest a lot of time in, they should > > simply > > > be > > > > > able to point to existing policies on Meta. The central policies > > should > > > > be > > > > > localized if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > Checking Meta I find > > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_no_original_research_policy > > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view > > > > > > > > > > I can't find anything like "Verifiability". > > > > > > > > > > Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some sound > > > baseline > > > > > policies, and with the option for local projects to refine those? > > > Perhaps > > > > > with assistance from editors on Wikipedia? > > > > > > > > > > Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no original > > research" > > > > > diverging into verifiability of external sources. It should be > about > > > > > original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at some > projects > > > > > neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from creators > point > > of > > > > > view"… > > > > > > > > > > Would this be possible? It would be really nice if those baseline > > > > policies > > > > > pages could be copied to the individual projects like central user > > > pages, > > > > > so they would be "internal" to the projects. Thus the projects > would > > > have > > > > > more "ownership" of them. > > > > > > > > > > The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia, Wikibooks, > > > > > Wiktionary, etc). > > > > > > > > > > Jeblad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > GN. > > > President Wikimedia Australia > > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >

Having centralized core policies would lessen the maintenance and process, not increase them. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu &lt;strainu10(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Five pillars are moot. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

to quote, worth a read before even considering policies being global http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asi.23901/abstract This article explores the relationship between linguistic culture and the On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk &lt;zvandijk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com

its the cultural differences that influence the policy, so who's culture is more significant than everyone elses that will dictate the policies. On 8 August 2017 at 08:14, John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com

2017-08-08 12:20 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: Each version of Wikipedia is a different encyclopedia. There are vastly different inclusion policies and general policies between the different encyclopedias out there, what links them is that they provide information from all areas of knowledge. Having a policy about it does not solve the issue. Having a policy one can't really change will make it even worse.{{citation needed}} :)

Verifiability can be very different. For example oral sources. JP On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 05:20 John Erling Blad, &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

I agree with Strainu's comments above. I described some issues with adopting policies and ill-fitting policies under the Community Governance capacity page, in the Community Capacity Development program: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Capacity_Development/Community_go… A. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:09 PM Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Is it not rather late to be discussing what "knowledge" might be, towards the end of the second decade of a mission to bring the sum of human knowledge to the world, and in the middle of a major effort to determine the strategy of the movement into its third and fourth decades? Surely by now there is a clear, concise and actionable agreed definition of knowledge that we can point to when people ask what all that money has been and continues to be raised for? Why not just point to that common position that everyone has signed up to? "Rogol" On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:00 PM, John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

I'm aware that "knowledge" as a concept has a long history. I would not have expected the movement to have finally resolved the "problem of knowledge", whatever that might be, nor did I say that I had. I am expressing surprise that there is not yet a common understanding that the movement can rally round. "Rogol" On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk&gt; wrote:

Well, data becomes information becomes knowledge. Information imply organization of data, and knowledge imply processing of information. The description "knowledge communicated or received concerning a particular fact or circumstance" is from a dictionary, and I won't tell which one. It is not entirely correct. The description "facts told, heard, or discovered" is from Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary, ISBN 9780194311410 If you can't communicate a fact, because it is like "exposing an ancient paper source to intense UV light", then other might say it is a moot fact. On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Rogol Domedonfors &lt;domedonfors(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

No, _verifiability_ can't be different, but _acceptance_ of oral sources can be different. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland &lt;jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca > Verifiability can be very different. For example oral sources. > > JP > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 05:20 John Erling Blad, &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com> > > Policy should not have local variations, unless you want to create > > something different from Wikipedia. This is about core content policies. > > Those are no original research, verifiability, and neutral point of view. > > The one most don't follow is neutral point of view, where projects > rewrite > > world history to focus on their own local view. > > > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:20 AM, Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com> > > > > its the cultural differences that influence the policy, so who's > culture > > is > > > more significant than everyone elses that will dictate the policies. > > > > > > On 8 August 2017 at 08:14, John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > Yes there are cultural differences between wikipedias on _content_, > but > > > > there should be no differences on _policy_ about that content. > > > > Note also that there are some differences on use of _facts_ that are > > > highly > > > > troublesome, and that comes from relaxed core policies. > > > > Armenian genocide for example. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > to quote, worth a read before even considering policies being > global > > > > > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asi.23901/abstract > > > > > > > > > > This article explores the relationship between linguistic culture > and > > > the > > > > > > preferred standards of presenting information based on article > > > > > > representation in major Wikipedias. Using primary research > analysis > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > number of images, references, internal links, external links, > > words, > > > > and > > > > > > characters, as well as their proportions in Good and Featured > > > articles > > > > on > > > > > > the eight largest Wikipedias, we discover a high diversity of > > > > approaches > > > > > > and format preferences, correlating with culture. We demonstrate > > that > > > > > > high-quality standards in information presentation are not > globally > > > > > shared > > > > > > and that in many aspects, the language culture's influence > > determines > > > > > what > > > > > > is perceived to be proper, desirable, and exemplary for > > encyclopedic > > > > > > entries. As a result, we demonstrate that standards for > > encyclopedic > > > > > > knowledge are not globally agreed-upon and “objective” but local > > and > > > > very > > > > > > subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk &lt;zvandijk(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > The number of pillars depends on the language version... > > > > > > And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be > pf > > > much > > > > > > importance > > > > > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 > um > > > > > 14:42: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Five pillars are moot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the > > > ability > > > > to > > > > > > > > discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the > > > community > > > > > that > > > > > > > > create the projects. Importantly you create the opportunity > for > > > > > banned > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > blocked editors to decide what happens in a community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By having a base set of simple policies in the Incubator that > > are > > > > > > > > atuomatically created when a project starts up you give them > > the > > > > best > > > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > to establishing themselves well before that project goes > live, > > > > ince a > > > > > > > > project is live it has to be allowed to develop its > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the > > > projects, > > > > > but > > > > > > > > meta is not a place that the content creating community > spends > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 August 2017 at 19:07, John Erling Blad < > jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having centralized core policies would lessen the > maintenance > > > and > > > > > > > > process, > > > > > > > > > not increase them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu < > > strainu10(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The core policies should be the ones pushed by board > > > > resolution, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > > safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with > > little > > > > > > > > > > understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff > > from > > > > > > en.wp. > > > > > > > > > > Just recently someone was trying to have an RFC on meta > on > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > different processes that en.wp has and ro.wp does not > have, > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > little consideration on whether the manpower to > implement, > > > let > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > maintain, these processes exists. No thank you to rule > > > pushing > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > local context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having a community take a rule from en.wp is different, > > just > > > as > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > as some kind of discussion happens within the community > > about > > > > it. > > > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > > > if the rule is really useless or harmful and the > community > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > realize that in the beginning, at least it can evolve > > > > differently > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the English one. Have a centralized repository and trying > > to > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > the rules there by consensus would be much more difficult > > for > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > communities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strainu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad < > > > jeblad(a)gmail.com > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same > core > > > > > content > > > > > > > > > > policies, > > > > > > > > > > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, > because > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only > > partial > > > > > > > policies. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them > > > > > updated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Creating and maintaining the core content policies > should > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > that small projects should invest a lot of time in, > they > > > > should > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able to point to existing policies on Meta. The central > > > > > policies > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > localized if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checking Meta I find > > > > > > > > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/The_no_original_research_ > > > > > > policy > > > > > > > > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Neutral_point_of_view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't find anything like "Verifiability". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make > > some > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > baseline > > > > > > > > > > > policies, and with the option for local projects to > > refine > > > > > those? > > > > > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > with assistance from editors on Wikipedia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no > > > original > > > > > > > > research" > > > > > > > > > > > diverging into verifiability of external sources. It > > should > > > > be > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at > > > some > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > > > neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from > > > > creators > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > view"… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would this be possible? It would be really nice if > those > > > > > baseline > > > > > > > > > > policies > > > > > > > > > > > pages could be copied to the individual projects like > > > central > > > > > > user > > > > > > > > > pages, > > > > > > > > > > > so they would be "internal" to the projects. Thus the > > > > projects > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > more "ownership" of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia, > > > > > > Wikibooks, > > > > > > > > > > > Wiktionary, etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeblad > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > > > > > > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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