Yes there are cultural differences between wikipedias on _content_, but
there should be no differences on _policy_ about that content.
Note also that there are some differences on use of _facts_ that are highly
troublesome, and that comes from relaxed core policies.
Armenian genocide for example.
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
to quote, worth a read before even considering
policies being global
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asi.23901/abstract
This article explores the relationship between linguistic culture and the
preferred standards of presenting information
based on article
representation in major Wikipedias. Using primary research analysis of
the
number of images, references, internal links,
external links, words, and
characters, as well as their proportions in Good and Featured articles on
the eight largest Wikipedias, we discover a high diversity of approaches
and format preferences, correlating with culture. We demonstrate that
high-quality standards in information presentation are not globally
shared
and that in many aspects, the language
culture's influence determines
what
is perceived to be proper, desirable, and
exemplary for encyclopedic
entries. As a result, we demonstrate that standards for encyclopedic
knowledge are not globally agreed-upon and “objective” but local and very
subjective.
On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The number of pillars depends on the language
version...
And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much
importance
Ziko
John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 um
14:42:
> Five pillars are moot.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the ability to
> > discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the community
that
> > create the projects. Importantly you
create the opportunity for
banned
> and
> > blocked editors to decide what happens in a community.
> >
> > By having a base set of simple policies in the Incubator that are
> > atuomatically created when a project starts up you give them the best
> guide
> > to establishing themselves well before that project goes live, ince a
> > project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community.
> >
> > We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the projects,
but
> > meta is not a place that the content
creating community spends a lot
of
> > time.
> >
> > On 3 August 2017 at 19:07, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Having centralized core policies would lessen the maintenance and
> process,
> > not increase them.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > The core policies should be the ones pushed by board resolution,
and
> > > > those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the
projects
> >
> safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with little
> > > understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff from
en.wp.
> > > > Just recently someone was trying to have an RFC on meta on all
the
> >
> different processes that en.wp has and ro.wp does not have, with
> > > little consideration on whether the manpower to implement, let
alone
> >
maintain, these processes exists. No thank you to rule pushing
without
> > > local context.
> > >
> > > Having a community take a rule from en.wp is different, just as
long
> > > > as some kind of discussion happens within the community about it.
> Even
> > > > if the rule is really useless or harmful and the community did
not
> > > > realize that in the
beginning, at least it can evolve differently
> from
> > > > the English one. Have a centralized repository and trying to
change
> > > > the rules there by consensus
would be much more difficult for
small
> > > > communities.
> > > >
> > > > Strainu
> > > >
> > > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad
<jeblad(a)gmail.com>om>:
> > > > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core
content
> > > > policies,
> > > > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a lot
of
> the
> > > > > smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial
> policies.
> > It
> > > > > takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them
updated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Creating and maintaining the core content policies should not
be
> > > > something
> > > > > that small projects should invest a lot of time in, they should
> > simply
> > > be
> > > > > able to point to existing policies on Meta. The central
policies
>
should
> > > be
> > > > localized if necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Checking Meta I find
> > > > -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_no_original_research_
policy
> > > > > -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't find anything like "Verifiability".
> > > > >
> > > > > Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some
sound
> > > baseline
> > > > > policies, and with the option for local projects to refine
those?
> > > Perhaps
> > > > > with assistance from editors on Wikipedia?
> > > > >
> > > > > Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no
original
> > research"
> > > > > diverging into verifiability of external sources. It should be
> about
> > > > > original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at some
> projects
> > > > > neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from
creators
> point
> > of
> > > > > view"…
> > > > >
> > > > > Would this be possible? It would be really nice if those
baseline
> >
> policies
> > > > pages could be copied to the individual projects like central
user
>
pages,
> > > so they would be "internal" to the projects. Thus the projects
would
> > have
> > > > more "ownership" of them.
> > > >
> > > > The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia,
Wikibooks,
> >
> Wiktionary, etc).
> > >
> > > Jeblad
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