The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the ability to
discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the community that
create the projects. Importantly you create the opportunity for banned and
blocked editors to decide what happens in a community.
By having a base set of simple policies in the Incubator that are
atuomatically created when a project starts up you give them the best guide
to establishing themselves well before that project goes live, ince a
project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community.
We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the projects, but
meta is not a place that the content creating community spends a lot of
time.
On 3 August 2017 at 19:07, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Having centralized core policies would lessen the
maintenance and process,
not increase them.
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The core policies should be the ones pushed by
board resolution, and
those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the projects
safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with little
understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff from en.wp.
Just recently someone was trying to have an RFC on meta on all the
different processes that en.wp has and ro.wp does not have, with
little consideration on whether the manpower to implement, let alone
maintain, these processes exists. No thank you to rule pushing without
local context.
Having a community take a rule from en.wp is different, just as long
as some kind of discussion happens within the community about it. Even
if the rule is really useless or harmful and the community did not
realize that in the beginning, at least it can evolve differently from
the English one. Have a centralized repository and trying to change
the rules there by consensus would be much more difficult for small
communities.
Strainu
2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>om>:
Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the
same core content
policies,
but with slightly different wording. Nearly all,
because a lot of the
smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial policies. It
takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them updated.
Creating and maintaining the core content policies should not be
something
> that small projects should invest a lot of time in, they should simply
be
able to
point to existing policies on Meta. The central policies should
be
> localized if necessary.
>
> Checking Meta I find
> -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_no_original_research_policy
> -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view
>
> I can't find anything like "Verifiability".
>
> Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some sound
baseline
> policies, and with the option for local
projects to refine those?
Perhaps
with
assistance from editors on Wikipedia?
Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no original research"
diverging into verifiability of external sources. It should be about
original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at some projects
neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from creators point of
view"…
Would this be possible? It would be really nice if those baseline
policies
> pages could be copied to the individual projects like central user
pages,
> so they would be "internal" to the
projects. Thus the projects would
have
more
"ownership" of them.
The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia, Wikibooks,
Wiktionary, etc).
Jeblad
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