There is a request for a Wikipedia in Ancient Greek. This request has so far
been denied. A lot of words have been used about it. Many people maintain
their positions and do not for whatever reason consider the arguments of
In my opinion their are a few roadblocks.
- Ancient Greek is an ancient language - the policy does not allow for
- Text in ancient Greek written today about contemporary subjects
require the reconstruction of Ancient Greek.
- it requires the use of existing words for concepts that did
not exist at the time when the language was alive
- neologisms will be needed to describe things that did not
exist at the time when the language was alive
- modern texts will not represent the language as it used to be
- Constructed and by inference reconstructed languages are effectively
We can change the policy if there are sufficient arguments, when we agree on
When a text is written in reconstructed ancient Greek, and when it is
clearly stated that it is NOT the ancient Greek of bygone days, it can be
obvious that it is a great tool to learn skills to read and write ancient
Greek but that it is in itself not Ancient Greek. Ancient Greek as a
language is ancient. I have had a word with people who are involved in the
working group that deals with the ISO-639, I have had a word with someone
from SIL and it is clear that a proposal for a code for "Ancient Greek
reconstructed" will be considered for the ISO-639-3. For the ISO-639-6 a
code is likely to be given because a clear use for this code can be given.
We can apply for a code and as it has a use bigger then Wikipedia alone it
clearly has merit.
With modern texts clearly labelled as distinct from the original language,
it will be obvious that innovations a writers needs for his writing are
This leaves the fact that constructed and reconstructed languages are not
permitted because of the notion that mother tongue users are required. In my
opinion, this has always been only a gesture to those people who are dead
set against any and all constructed languages. In the policies there is
something vague "*it must have a reasonable degree of recognition as
determined by discussion (this requirement is being discussed by the language
subcommittee <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_subcommittee>)."* It
is vague because even though the policy talks about a discussion, it is
killed off immediately by stating "The proposal has a sufficient number of
living native speakers to form a viable community and audience." In my
opinion, this discussion for criteria for the acceptance of constructed or
reconstructed languages has not happened. Proposals for objective criteria
have been ignored.
In essence, to be clear about it:
- We can get a code for reconstructed languages.
- We need to change the policy to allow for reconstructed and
We need to do both in order to move forward.
The proposal for objective criteria for constructed and reconstructed
languages is in a nutshell:
- The language must have an ISO-639-3 code
- We need full WMF localisation from the start
- The language must be sufficiently expressive for writing a modern
- The Incubator project must have sufficiently large articles that
demonstrate both the language and its ability to write about a wide range of
- A sufficiently large group of editors must be part of the Incubator
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The next strategic planning office hours are:
Wednesday, 04:00-05:00 UTC, which is:
-Tuesday (8-9pm PST)
-Tuesday (11pm-12am EST)
There has been a lot of tremendous work on the strategy wiki the past
few months, and Task Forces are finishing up their work.
Office hours will be a great opportunity to discuss the work that's
happened as well as the work to come.
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A few weeks ago there was much discussion about establishing an announcement-only email list that would be used as a 'push-only' list where important announcements from the Foundation, chapters, or other representatives could be directed. Anyone could subscribe to this list and keep up to date on important events and information.
We now have this list up and running (I spent a little more time than I had planned testing stuff) and it's ready for subscribers:
We've created a page with general information about this list and how it will be moderated here:
Initially we'll be sending all major news from the WMF here so news can be shared in one place: new staff, new programs, career opportunities, milestones, calls for response, reports from staff or the board, etc etc.
And of course we want this to be a place where similar news and information can be disseminated from our community.
Rather than overwhelm this new list with too many rules and guidelines, I'm happy to have suggestions for posts sent directly to me, or to the 'communications(a)wikimedia.org' proxy email address, or you can just write to the list address with your suggestion and we'll work with you to get it posted. Let's see how the traffic looks before thinking too much about what's wrong or right for the list - but ultimately readers will want to get relevant, good information and have advance notice of important happenings.
As we work out the kinks I'll be happy to bring on some other volunteer moderators to keep things moving as quickly as possible.
Foundation staff will begin to send information to this list as a default (new staff, major announcements, good news etc), although we will continue to share news on the pre-existing lists for the time being. Of course this shouldn't preclude any discussion about news and events. We expect to continue to converse about news and events on the other mailing lists as well. Anyone can submit relevant announcements for the list as well. Refer to the meta page for the basic guidelines. We will also point email updates from the Foundation blog to the WikimediaAnnounce-l.
The strategy is to provide a single list where public announcements can be collected, preventing missed information for people who participate on one list and not another.
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This is my first time on any Wikimedia mailing list, so please forgive me if
I'm actually posting on the wrong list or something.
I'm a programmer, and recently I've been using a nice little service, which
is run by a few independent programmers. The trouble is that it's a kind of
service which potential users would like to know that it will be maintained
well for a few years in the future, and these independent programmers can't
guarantee something like that. Then I thought, this project has a spirit
similar to Wikimedia's projects, so maybe Wikimedia would want to adopt it
or sponsor it? I think it will require little maintenance effort.
Do note that this project is not a wiki exactly.
I have not yet said what this project it, cause I'm not even sure I'm on the
right mailing list. Is this a good place to discuss this matter?
(Also, please 'cc' me in any replies, because I don't get mail delivered
from this list.)
As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update.
We continue to work on UI display issues and on getting up a Labs
version of the German Wikipedia. We're pretty close to release, and we
believe only minor UI issues remain.
If you'd like to verify that for yourself, start here:
To see the in-progress and upcoming work, it's listed in our tracker,
under Current and Backlog:
We expect to release to labs again next week, and each week thereafter
until this goes live on the English Wikipedia.
On 04/29/2010 06:32 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> William Pietri wrote:
>> As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update.
>> We continue to work on UI display issues and on getting up a Labs
>> version of the German Wikipedia. We're pretty close to release, and we
>> believe only minor UI issues remain.
> Between this update and the last one, the only commits made to the
> FlaggedRevs extension were localisation updates imported from
> translatewiki.net. But your language here implies that something
> actually happened this week. Could you perhaps be more specific as to
> what sort of work was done?
Sure. The resolution to the apparent paradox is that not all useful work
immediately results in commits. In particular, the major UI issue being
worked on can be seen on this page:
In the upper right, you'll note a lock icon with (+) next to it. The UI
mavens involved, Howie and Parul, feel that the current version isn't
consistent with the direction the usability team has for the interface,
so they're trying to come up with something that looks and works better.
However, getting something that satisfies them and also looks and works
properly in all browsers has been a challenge. I understand the
Usability Initiative developers have offered technical assistance with that.
This is pretty typical pre-release fit-and-finish stuff. I know it can
be frustrating for project stakeholders, as it appears like not much is
happening, but given the scale at which Wikipedia works and the
importance of this project being well received, I think we're better off
taking a bit longer for a solid user experience, especially the bit that
appears on article pages.
I know some additional work was done on cleaning up names, labels, and
text in the interface; if you're curious about exactly what went on, I
can ask. My understanding is that is almost done, though.
Wikimania is an annual global event devoted to Wikimedia projects
around the globe (including Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikinews,
Wiktionary, Wikispecies, Wikimedia Commons, and MediaWiki). The
conference is a community gathering, giving the editors, users
and developers of Wikimedia projects an opportunity to meet each
other, exchange ideas, report on research and projects, and
collaborate on the future of the projects. The conference is open
to the public, and is a chance for educators, researchers,
programmers and free culture activists who are interested in the
Wikimedia projects to learn more and share ideas about the
This year's conference will be held JULY 9-11, 2010 in Gdansk,
Poland at Polish Baltic Philharmonic. For more information, please
visit the official Wikimania 2010 site:
Wikimania 2010 will be a mix of submitted talks, open space
meetings, birds of a feather groups, and lightning talks.
Submissions will be discussed and selected in an informal process
on the wiki. If your submission is not added to the schedule, you
will still have many opportunities to bring topics forward
* Deadline for submitting workshop, tutorial, panel and
presentation proposals: May 20
* Notification of acceptance: May 25 (workshops), May 31
(panels, tutorials, presentations)
* All proposals and presentations will be welcome in the
Open Space track of the conference, whether or not they
are accepted in this initial process.
Submissions will be reviewed informally by a team of volunteers.
This year Wikimania will offer three tracks for submissions for
members of wiki communities and interested observers to share
their own experiences and thoughts and to present new ideas:
People and Community
The People and Community track provides a unique forum for
discussing topics related to people using/building wikis.
Relevant topics include, but are not restricted to, the
* Wiki Community: Conflict resolution and community dynamics;
reputation and identity;
* Wiki Outreach: Promotion of wikis and Wikimedia projects among
the general public;
* North meets south, east meets west: How can people of a
different cultural background create an encyclopedia according
to common rules? Same subject in the eye of different cultures.
* Special: Wikipedia in Central/Eastern Europe: this theme will
provide a forum to present and discuss the latest progress of
Wikis in the central/eastern European community.
Knowledge and Collaboration
The Knowledge and Collaboration track aims to promote research
and find exciting ideas related to knowledge...
* Wiki Content: New ways to improve content quality, credibility;
legal issues and copyrights (is free knowledge free?); use of
the content in education, journalism, research;
* Semantic Wikis: The use of semantic web technologies, linked
data; semantic annotation and metadata (in particular manual
vs. automated approaches).
The Infrastructure track at Wikimania will provide a forum where
both researchers and practitioners can share new approaches,
applications, and explore how to make Wiki access ever more
* MediaWiki development: issues related to MediaWiki development
* Moving beyond MediaWiki: what other Wiki-like platforms exist;
what tools and features do we need for collaboration on
different types of knowledge?
* Mobile Wikis: The Web is moving off the desktop and into mobile
phones, how we use wikis on mobile devices?; wiki-based
Augmented Reality (AR) applications, location based services
* User Interface Design: Usability and user experience;
accessibility, adaptive interfaces and personalization; novel
Please note that Wikimania 2010 is co-located with WikiSym, The
International Symposium on Wikis and Open Collaboration. More
information about WikiSym can be found on the conference website:
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tutorial, please visit:
Thank you for helping make Wikimania 2010 a successful event. :-)
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