"Oh, Rob" - Laura Petri on The Dick Van Dyke Show, as played by Mary
Tyler Moore
Peter Blaise wrote:
... - the difference between wikitech-l and
mediawiki-l (though I'm not the one to
accidentally confuse the two)...
Rob snitted back: You were, however, the only
poster to date who has had to have it explained
twice and rejected both times with a rather rude
and presumptive message about our motives.
Oh, Rob! You discovered that I'm not a spammer, so monitoring first
posts worked, so now let me post freely. Otherwise, you're just
pre-arguing and pre-filtering content and preventing the members of the
lists from making up their own minds - censoring. And you're doing that
in the context of a Wiki, come-one-come-all, censorship-free universe!
Oh, Rob!
(Let me look up "crude and presumptive", I'll get back to you...)
Peter Blaise wrote:
... - that all I need to do on my own system to
regain control is to do something I can't do on
my own system to regain control (such as "run
php", "log in as admin", sysops, bureaucrat
and so on)...
Rob sparked back: If you provide a full
explanation of the problem here, then you're
likely to get a decent answer. What are you
trying to do?
"run php"
"log in as admin"
If I *could* report a "full" anything analyzing a MediaWiki install
according to any reference (none exist?) then I could troubleshoot and
repair it myself, thank you. Maybe someone can write a HiJackThis-style
log reporter we can share that takes inventory of our MediaWiki setup
...
(See
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/programs.php for v2 or later of
HiJackThis, then see 977,000 links at
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22hijackthis.log%22&btnG=Goog…
arch showing HiJackThis.log in tech-support troubleshooting dialogs.
This is what I'm comparing MediaWiki to when I say "MediaWiki is not
mature". I'm talking about the depth of support. MediaWiki has neither
a HiJackThis-type tool nor 977,000 links discussing MediaWiki
diagnostics yet. Not an insult, just an assessment. How many Spybot
and registry cleaning tools are there? How many MediaWiki diagnosis and
repair tools are there? Please correct me if I'm wrong about how
"mature", product life cycle and market penetration wise, MediaWiki is.
I'd LOVE someone to point me to a MediaWiki installation repair and
report tool.)
Peter Blaise wrote:
... Note: we desperately need a neat, clean,
sophisticated group of accurate and
unambiguous instruction manuals for each part
of a WikiMedia's life:
Rob sparkled back: It's not a
"WikiMedia", it's
a "MediaWiki wiki". "Wikimedia" is an
organisation, "MediaWiki" is a piece of
software, and a "wiki" is the actual site
running that software. Wikimedia have no
affiliation whatsoever with third-party wikis.
Oh, Rob!
You're so ... wrong!
"MediaWiki wiki" ?!?
Where do you get "MediaWiki wiki"? I do not see the Wikimedia
Foundation, Inc. labeling their product as "MediaWiki-brand wiki" the
way Kimberly-Clark says "Kleenex-brand facial tissues" or the way
Johnson & Johnson says "Band-Aid-brand adhesive bandages"! I see the
product marketed as MediaWiki software. WikiMedia says, quote,
"MediaWiki is ..." not "MediaWiki wiki is ..." nor
"MediaWiki-brand wiki
is ..." Period. No wonder no one can keep them straight, let alone
remember which list-serve we are writing to (I note other mis-sends
recently). I try, try, try to keep WikiMedia and MediaWiki
differentiated in spite of the whimsical evolution of the marks, but
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. apparently wants it both ways: MediaWiki and
WikiMedia, hence my post the other day to commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
========== begin quote ==========
Perhaps we should also define in what arena we're posturing. I think
there are at least three, possibly non-interchangeable, venues:
- MediaWiki -
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki the SOFTWARE we're
all using either as participants in WikiMedia's Wikis, or building and
participating in our own on-WikiMedia Wikis, and hitchhiking on the
experiences and examples of the WikiMedia "family".
- WikiMedia - the name for that COMPANY at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home who host a collection of Wikis
at
http://www.wikimedia.org/
- Wikipedia -
http://www.wikipedia.org/ one IMPLEMENTATION of the
WikiMedia company using their own MediaWiki software
From Google:
Definitions of [wikimedia] on the Web:
The Wikimedia Foundation Inc. is the parent organization of Wikipedia,
Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks (including Wikijunior and Wikiversity),
Wikisource, In Memoriam 9/11, Wikimedia Commons, Wikispecies, Wikinews,
and Nupedia (defunct). It is a non-profit corporation organized under
the laws of Florida, USA. Its existence was officially announced by
Wikia CEO and Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales on June 20, 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia
Definitions of [mediawiki] on the Web:
MediaWiki is a Wiki software package licensed under the GNU General
Public License. It is a feature-rich wiki implementation, and is used to
run Wikipedia and other Wikimedia Foundation projects, as well as many
other wikis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki
Definitions of [wikipedia] on the Web:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page A free content, multilingual
encyclopedia written collaboratively by contributors around the world.
The site is a Wiki - anybody can edit and add to an article. Offers
quick understanding on controversial issues. Strong in current affairs.
http://www.uccb.ca/library/subject/reference/encyclopedias.html
Wikipedia is a Web-based, free-content encyclopedia written
collaboratively by volunteers and sponsored by the non-profit Wikimedia
Foundation. It has editions in roughly 200 different languages (about
100 of which are active) and contains entries both on traditional
encyclopedic topics and on almanac, gazetteer, and current events
topics. Its purpose is to create and distribute a free international
encyclopedia in as many languages as possible. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
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Oh, Rob!
I didn't start the confusion over where the "Wiki" words goes - before
or after the differentiating source-identifier word, I'm just trying to
survive it! MediaWiki, WikiMedia, MediaWiki, WikiMedia ... potato,
potato ... !!!
The only arguments I have with you are:
- blocking non-spammers from posting.
- you think that if someone gets lost after you give them directions,
it's their fault.
- Peter Blaise