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Steve VanSlyck

16 Apr 2010 16 Apr '10

12:05 p.m.

I should think so. If you can ::see:: a page you should not have to ::create:: it in order to ::edit:: it. ----- Original Message ----- From: £ukasz Garczewski <tor(a)wikia-inc.com> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:54:13 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Q: I have sysop but I can't edit stuff

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Tom Medhurst <tom.medhurst(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

Thanks Lucas, Sorry, I forgot to mention that I do not have an edit button on the MediaWiki:Sidebar page either, just: Message, Discussion, Create, and Watch.

Click "create". :) For the rest of us: is this a usability problem we have here? I believe this is not the first time I've seen this causing confusion. -- Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski Wikia Tech Team _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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nevio carlos de alarcão

16 Apr 16 Apr

1:37 p.m.

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For the rest of us: is this a usability problem we have here? I believe this is not the first time I've seen this causing confusion. *** Ah yes that works great! Seems obvious now I know!

It seems obvious to everyone who gets to know. It is indeed an usability problem, I think. regards 2010/4/16 Steve VanSlyck <s.vanslyck(a)spamcop.net>

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I should think so. If you can ::see:: a page you should not have to ::create:: it in order to ::edit:: it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Łukasz Garczewski <tor(a)wikia-inc.com> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list < mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:54:13 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Q: I have sysop but I can't edit stuff

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Tom Medhurst <tom.medhurst(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > Thanks Lucas, > Sorry, I forgot to mention that I do not have an edit button on > the MediaWiki:Sidebar page either, just: Message, Discussion, Create,

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Watch.

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Henry Hartley

1:48 p.m.

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On 4/16/2010 8:05 AM, Steve VanSlyck wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: £ukasz Garczewski<tor(a)wikia-inc.com>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Tom Medhurst <tom.medhurst(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

Thanks Lucas, Sorry, I forgot to mention that I do not have an edit button on the MediaWiki:Sidebar page either, just: Message, Discussion, Create, and Watch.

Click "create". :) For the rest of us: is this a usability problem we have here? I believe this is not the first time I've seen this causing confusion.

I should think so. If you can ::see:: a page you should not have to ::create:: it in order to ::edit:: it.

Well, it IS at least documented, although finding it might be hit or miss. Although the page seems to "exist" (because you can see it, after all) it only exists as a default. Clicking on "create" puts an entry for the page into the database, where pages actually "exist" (or something like that). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Customize_the_sidebar "If you are sure you are logged in with the relevant rights but do not see the edit link, click on the create tab at the top of the page - this will take you to the edit page." -- Henry

2:41 p.m.

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Steve VanSlyck <s.vanslyck(a)spamcop.net> wrote:

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I should think so. If you can ::see:: a page you should not have to ::create:: it in order to ::edit:: it.

On the other hand, the page doesn't exist yet, how do you ::edit:: something before you ::create:: it.

Antonio Orlando

2:03 p.m.

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Well, I do agree with Steve: why one should suppose that something doesn't ::exist:: yet, if he can ::see:: it? The bug here is the fact that it's done with developer's view, while UI should be done with plain user's view. You have to "create" it on the ::database::, but users should not care about databases and stuff. If something is right there in front of your eyes, then you have nothing to create, for common sense. I.e., maybe Reality was already there, and God just put it on the database: but this is not what should be said to plain users. -- Antonio On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:41:15 +0300, OQ <overlordq(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Steve VanSlyck <s.vanslyck(a)spamcop.net> wrote:

I should think so. If you can ::see:: a page you should not have to ::create:: it in order to ::edit:: it.

On the other hand, the page doesn't exist yet, how do you ::edit:: something before you ::create:: it.