Hi,
You might want to check out ImageMap [1], if you just use the annotation to generate links to more specific room information, like when you have a map (uploaded as an image) and then you click on some room in the map and then you get to a different wiki page about that room like "There is a HD projector and 150 chairs...". The map extensions you mentioned will display small images with map pieces called "tiles" made by externals in your wiki. There is something like a "Wikipedia for maps" - OpenStreetMap [2] and you could consider adding your data to their publically available database. This would require you to release the data under OpenDatabaseLicense publically [3]. If you want to do that, you would probably need to transform your data format to match theirs and consult the community before importing [4] and finally you would need to produce the tiles from their data, because standart display do not show the indoor features. Further information is available from the relevant wiki page [5]. This is pretty much what Wikimedia did with their custom "Kartographer" [7]. Seems like a rather complex way for just showing a floor plan, but that is essentially the infrastructure behind "Maps" and "OpenLayers".
Is anyone doing this?
I am currently working with "MultiMaps" [6], which is essentially working the same way as Yaron already described but without Semantic MW. I am just displaying the standard tiles provided by OSM.
What do people here recommend?
Sorry, I can not really recommend anything for you, because it depends on the following facts How many maps do you have? (huge maps make the OSM approach more interesting) What do you exactly expect from "annotations"? (simple links, texts on top of the map, geometric shapes?) Can you publish the data under ODbL? (see above) How often do you update the maps? (no updates, continuous updates, real-time) Cheers, Tigerfell
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap there is an example as well on that page [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org https://www.openstreetmap.org (personal disclaimer: I am involved in this project) [3] https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ (comparable to CC-BY-SA as far as I can judge) [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer
From: Yaron Koren:
Hi Rich,
It should be noted that the use of images as maps comprises two parts: entering the data, and viewing the data. I don't believe either one is currently possible, though I could be wrong. For data entry, I think the easiest way to add support for it would be to modify either the "openlayers" or "leaflet" input types in Page Forms to allow for using an uploaded image as the map - both OpenLayers and Leaflet inherently allow for such a thing. And for viewing the data - Semantic MediaWiki has a "leaflet" result format (via the Maps extension), while Cargo has an "openlayers" format. Both could similarly be modified to allow for displaying query results on an uploaded image.
It should be noted that, about ten years ago, both entry and viewing of image-based maps were possible, via the extensions then called Semantic Maps and Semantic Forms. This is one of those features that just stopped being supported, due I guess to lack of interest. Which is too bad, because it does seem useful for a lot of different applications. But it never really got usage before. Maybe now is a good time to bring this feature back, if enough people show an interest in it.
I should also note that there's an extension called Semantic Image Annotator:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Image_Annotator
It lets you both add and query data, but the data it deals with is rectangles on an image and not points, so it may not be what you're looking for. Maybe it's fine, though.
-Yaron
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Happy Friday - What extension is best for annotating interior floor plans and user maps uploaded as images?
Is anyone doing this? What do people here recommend?
I've been trying to learn how to use the "Maps" extension [1] but it's not clear to me if custom interior maps are possible with Maps.
OpenLayers [2] and Cargo [3] look promising but I don't know how to get started with them for custom interior maps. I dive in and learn it if I knew upfront that they had the capability. Can anyone tell me what they're doing?
/Rich
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Hi Tigerfell,
Are you saying that Multimaps currently has the ability to overlay points and shapes on to user supplied images?
I looked at the documentation on this extension and haven't seen anything about custom maps. Eager to hear more. Can you elaborate?
/Rich
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tigerfell Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:48 AM To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] [Semediawiki-user] interior maps extension
Hi,
You might want to check out ImageMap [1], if you just use the annotation to generate links to more specific room information, like when you have a map (uploaded as an image) and then you click on some room in the map and then you get to a different wiki page about that room like "There is a HD projector and 150 chairs...". The map extensions you mentioned will display small images with map pieces called "tiles" made by externals in your wiki. There is something like a "Wikipedia for maps" - OpenStreetMap [2] and you could consider adding your data to their publically available database. This would require you to release the data under OpenDatabaseLicense publically [3]. If you want to do that, you would probably need to transform your data format to match theirs and consult the community before importing [4] and finally you would need to produce the tiles from their data, because standart display do not show the indoor features. Further information is available from the relevant wiki page [5]. This is pretty much what Wikimedia did with their custom "Kartographer" [7]. Seems like a rather complex way for just showing a floor plan, but that is essentially the infrastructure behind "Maps" and "OpenLayers".
Is anyone doing this?
I am currently working with "MultiMaps" [6], which is essentially working the same way as Yaron already described but without Semantic MW. I am just displaying the standard tiles provided by OSM.
What do people here recommend?
Sorry, I can not really recommend anything for you, because it depends on the following facts How many maps do you have? (huge maps make the OSM approach more interesting) What do you exactly expect from "annotations"? (simple links, texts on top of the map, geometric shapes?) Can you publish the data under ODbL? (see above) How often do you update the maps? (no updates, continuous updates, real-time) Cheers, Tigerfell
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap there is an example as well on that page [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org https://www.openstreetmap.org (personal disclaimer: I am involved in this project) [3] https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ (comparable to CC-BY-SA as far as I can judge) [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer
From: Yaron Koren:
Hi Rich,
It should be noted that the use of images as maps comprises two parts: entering the data, and viewing the data. I don't believe either one is currently possible, though I could be wrong. For data entry, I think the easiest way to add support for it would be to modify either the "openlayers" or "leaflet" input types in Page Forms to allow for using an uploaded image as the map - both OpenLayers and Leaflet inherently allow for such a thing. And for viewing the data - Semantic MediaWiki has a "leaflet" result format (via the Maps extension), while Cargo has an "openlayers" format. Both could similarly be modified to allow for displaying query results on an uploaded image.
It should be noted that, about ten years ago, both entry and viewing of image-based maps were possible, via the extensions then called Semantic Maps and Semantic Forms. This is one of those features that just stopped being supported, due I guess to lack of interest. Which is too bad, because it does seem useful for a lot of different applications. But it never really got usage before. Maybe now is a good time to bring this feature back, if enough people show an interest in it.
I should also note that there's an extension called Semantic Image Annotator:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Image_Annotator
It lets you both add and query data, but the data it deals with is rectangles on an image and not points, so it may not be what you're looking for. Maybe it's fine, though.
-Yaron
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM Evans, Richard K. (GRC-H000) via Semediawiki-user semediawiki-user@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
Happy Friday - What extension is best for annotating interior floor plans and user maps uploaded as images?
Is anyone doing this? What do people here recommend?
I've been trying to learn how to use the "Maps" extension [1] but it's not clear to me if custom interior maps are possible with Maps.
OpenLayers [2] and Cargo [3] look promising but I don't know how to get started with them for custom interior maps. I dive in and learn it if I knew upfront that they had the capability. Can anyone tell me what they're doing?
/Rich
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenLayers [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo
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For my purposes, an extension that could add labeled points and shape annotations to a single user supplied image would be ideal. I don't need all the power of pan and scan map system that assembles image tiles to scale the whole world and beyond. I just need to be able to upload a floor plan of a building and mark out the location of an event.
/Rich
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Hi Tigerfell,
Are you saying that Multimaps currently has the ability to overlay points and shapes on to user supplied images?
I looked at the documentation on this extension and haven't seen anything about custom maps. Eager to hear more. Can you elaborate?
/Rich
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tigerfell Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:48 AM To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] [Semediawiki-user] interior maps extension
Hi,
You might want to check out ImageMap [1], if you just use the annotation to generate links to more specific room information, like when you have a map (uploaded as an image) and then you click on some room in the map and then you get to a different wiki page about that room like "There is a HD projector and 150 chairs...". The map extensions you mentioned will display small images with map pieces called "tiles" made by externals in your wiki. There is something like a "Wikipedia for maps" - OpenStreetMap [2] and you could consider adding your data to their publically available database. This would require you to release the data under OpenDatabaseLicense publically [3]. If you want to do that, you would probably need to transform your data format to match theirs and consult the community before importing [4] and finally you would need to produce the tiles from their data, because standart display do not show the indoor features. Further information is available from the relevant wiki page [5]. This is pretty much what Wikimedia did with their custom "Kartographer" [7]. Seems like a rather complex way for just showing a floor plan, but that is essentially the infrastructure behind "Maps" and "OpenLayers".
Is anyone doing this?
I am currently working with "MultiMaps" [6], which is essentially working the same way as Yaron already described but without Semantic MW. I am just displaying the standard tiles provided by OSM.
What do people here recommend?
Sorry, I can not really recommend anything for you, because it depends on the following facts How many maps do you have? (huge maps make the OSM approach more interesting) What do you exactly expect from "annotations"? (simple links, texts on top of the map, geometric shapes?) Can you publish the data under ODbL? (see above) How often do you update the maps? (no updates, continuous updates, real-time) Cheers, Tigerfell
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap there is an example as well on that page [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org https://www.openstreetmap.org (personal disclaimer: I am involved in this project) [3] https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ (comparable to CC-BY-SA as far as I can judge) [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer
From: Yaron Koren:
Hi Rich,
It should be noted that the use of images as maps comprises two parts: entering the data, and viewing the data. I don't believe either one is currently possible, though I could be wrong. For data entry, I think the easiest way to add support for it would be to modify either the "openlayers" or "leaflet" input types in Page Forms to allow for using an uploaded image as the map - both OpenLayers and Leaflet inherently allow for such a thing. And for viewing the data - Semantic MediaWiki has a "leaflet" result format (via the Maps extension), while Cargo has an "openlayers" format. Both could similarly be modified to allow for displaying query results on an uploaded image.
It should be noted that, about ten years ago, both entry and viewing of image-based maps were possible, via the extensions then called Semantic Maps and Semantic Forms. This is one of those features that just stopped being supported, due I guess to lack of interest. Which is too bad, because it does seem useful for a lot of different applications. But it never really got usage before. Maybe now is a good time to bring this feature back, if enough people show an interest in it.
I should also note that there's an extension called Semantic Image Annotator:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Image_Annotator
It lets you both add and query data, but the data it deals with is rectangles on an image and not points, so it may not be what you're looking for. Maybe it's fine, though.
-Yaron
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM Evans, Richard K. (GRC-H000) via Semediawiki-user semediawiki-user@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
Happy Friday - What extension is best for annotating interior floor plans and user maps uploaded as images?
Is anyone doing this? What do people here recommend?
I've been trying to learn how to use the "Maps" extension [1] but it's not clear to me if custom interior maps are possible with Maps.
OpenLayers [2] and Cargo [3] look promising but I don't know how to get started with them for custom interior maps. I dive in and learn it if I knew upfront that they had the capability. Can anyone tell me what they're doing?
/Rich
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Given your recent description, I would say MultiMaps does not suite your needs. The problem is that it needs some tile server hosting images that ensemble a map. So, it is more about virtual maps than adding some note on a file. I think that already mentioned ImageMap extension or Wikimedia Commons' gadget "ImageAnnotator" [1] are a better match. The gadget lets wiki users attach a note to a rectangular section of an image. Otherwise you might want to check out the list of potentially relevant extensions [2].
Tigerfell
---- [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-ImageAnnotator https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-ImageAnnotator [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Image_extensions https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Image_extensions
Jun. 11, 2019, 8:36 p.m. by richard.k.evans@nasa.gov:
For my purposes, an extension that could add labeled points and shape annotations to a single user supplied image would be ideal. I don't need all the power of pan and scan map system that assembles image tiles to scale the whole world and beyond. I just need to be able to upload a floor plan of a building and mark out the location of an event.
/Rich
-----Original Message----- From: Evans, Richard K. (GRC-H000) Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 2:28 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Evans, Richard K. (GRC-H000) richard.k.evans@nasa.gov; tigerfell-688@tuta.io Subject: RE: [MediaWiki-l] [Semediawiki-user] interior maps extension
Hi Tigerfell,
Are you saying that Multimaps currently has the ability to overlay points and shapes on to user supplied images?
I looked at the documentation on this extension and haven't seen anything about custom maps. Eager to hear more. Can you elaborate?
/Rich
-----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tigerfell Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:48 AM To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] [Semediawiki-user] interior maps extension
Hi,
You might want to check out ImageMap [1], if you just use the annotation to generate links to more specific room information, like when you have a map (uploaded as an image) and then you click on some room in the map and then you get to a different wiki page about that room like "There is a HD projector and 150 chairs...". The map extensions you mentioned will display small images with map pieces called "tiles" made by externals in your wiki. There is something like a "Wikipedia for maps" - OpenStreetMap [2] and you could consider adding your data to their publically available database. This would require you to release the data under OpenDatabaseLicense publically [3]. If you want to do that, you would probably need to transform your data format to match theirs and consult the community before importing [4] and finally you would need to produce the tiles from their data, because standart display do not show the indoor features. Further information is available from the relevant wiki page [5]. This is pretty much what Wikimedia did with their custom "Kartographer" [7]. Seems like a rather complex way for just showing a floor plan, but that is essentially the infrastructure behind "Maps" and "OpenLayers".
Is anyone doing this?
I am currently working with "MultiMaps" [6], which is essentially working the same way as Yaron already described but without Semantic MW. I am just displaying the standard tiles provided by OSM.
What do people here recommend?
Sorry, I can not really recommend anything for you, because it depends on the following facts How many maps do you have? (huge maps make the OSM approach more interesting) What do you exactly expect from "annotations"? (simple links, texts on top of the map, geometric shapes?) Can you publish the data under ODbL? (see above) How often do you update the maps? (no updates, continuous updates, real-time) Cheers, Tigerfell
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap there is an example as well on that page [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org https://www.openstreetmap.org (personal disclaimer: I am involved in this project) [3] https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ (comparable to CC-BY-SA as far as I can judge) [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiMaps [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Kartographer
From: Yaron Koren:
Hi Rich,
It should be noted that the use of images as maps comprises two parts: entering the data, and viewing the data. I don't believe either one is currently possible, though I could be wrong. For data entry, I think the easiest way to add support for it would be to modify either the "openlayers" or "leaflet" input types in Page Forms to allow for using an uploaded image as the map - both OpenLayers and Leaflet inherently allow for such a thing. And for viewing the data - Semantic MediaWiki has a "leaflet" result format (via the Maps extension), while Cargo has an "openlayers" format. Both could similarly be modified to allow for displaying query results on an uploaded image.
It should be noted that, about ten years ago, both entry and viewing of image-based maps were possible, via the extensions then called Semantic Maps and Semantic Forms. This is one of those features that just stopped being supported, due I guess to lack of interest. Which is too bad, because it does seem useful for a lot of different applications. But it never really got usage before. Maybe now is a good time to bring this feature back, if enough people show an interest in it.
I should also note that there's an extension called Semantic Image Annotator:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Image_Annotator
It lets you both add and query data, but the data it deals with is rectangles on an image and not points, so it may not be what you're looking for. Maybe it's fine, though.
-Yaron
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM Evans, Richard K. (GRC-H000) via Semediawiki-user semediawiki-user@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
Happy Friday - What extension is best for annotating interior floor plans and user maps uploaded as images?
Is anyone doing this? What do people here recommend?
I've been trying to learn how to use the "Maps" extension [1] but it's not clear to me if custom interior maps are possible with Maps.
OpenLayers [2] and Cargo [3] look promising but I don't know how to get started with them for custom interior maps. I dive in and learn it if I knew upfront that they had the capability. Can anyone tell me what they're doing?
/Rich
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