Hello,
I'm finding that my Opera and Firefox browsers do not always jump to the anchor in an article be it on my private, SSL-protected MediaWiki server or meta.wikipedia.org. eg, when going to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels#Nicknames , the browser does not always "jump" to the Nicknames section.
(I have yet to see this break on InternetExplorer, but I never use said browser...I only tried it once for a test. It doesn't consistently break on Opera of Firefox, either...which makes this really annoying.)
Is this a know problem/bug?
(Sorry for a FAQ, if this is one.)
-Matt
I forgot to mention: I'm running on my site:
Apache 2.0.52 MediaWiki: 1.4.0 PHP: 4.3.9 (apache2handler) MySQL: 4.0.21-log
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Version current says:
MediaWiki: 1.4.1 PHP: 4.3.11 (apache) MySQL: 4.0.22-log
(I don't know its web server info.)
-Matt
At 4/18/2005 08:55 PM, Matt England wrote:
Hello,
I'm finding that my Opera and Firefox browsers do not always jump to the anchor in an article be it on my private, SSL-protected MediaWiki server or meta.wikipedia.org. eg, when going to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels#Nicknames , the browser does not always "jump" to the Nicknames section.
(I have yet to see this break on InternetExplorer, but I never use said browser...I only tried it once for a test. It doesn't consistently break on Opera of Firefox, either...which makes this really annoying.)
Is this a know problem/bug?
(Sorry for a FAQ, if this is one.)
-Matt
Matt England wrote:
I'm finding that my Opera and Firefox browsers do not always jump to the anchor in an article be it on my private, SSL-protected MediaWiki server or meta.wikipedia.org. eg, when going to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels#Nicknames , the browser does not always "jump" to the Nicknames section.
Is the page not completely done? Is some resource still loading? Is the throbber still going? Is the stop button still clickable?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
At 4/18/2005 09:10 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Matt England wrote:
I'm finding that my Opera and Firefox browsers do not always jump to the anchor in an article be it on my private, SSL-protected MediaWiki server or meta.wikipedia.org. eg, when going to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels#Nicknames , the browser does not always "jump" to the Nicknames section.
Is the page not completely done?
The page was completely loaded.
Is some resource still loading?
No.
Is the throbber still going?
No.
Is the stop button still clickable?
No.
I routinely check all these things whenever I have page trouble for anything. The page was fully loaded. The anchor just didn't jump. I even waited for several seconds _after_ the page fully loaded. When I went to click on the TOC sections it *then* jumped immediately.
This happened on both my SSL-protected site and meta.mediawiki.org (as per above).
I suppose it's possible that it could not be a MediaWiki root cause. There would most likely be similarities across both our sites, if so? OR, it's simply my client machine. I'll test it other places and get back to this thread.
I have yet to experience anchor-jump problems on any other site/app that I use (and I've had phpBB running on my site in the same config for a while). If anything new crops up I'll let you know.
fyi, I did restart at least one of my browsers, and the problem still happened.
I haven't yet rebooted my WinXP machine. That's a little extreme for my tests at the moment, but I'll get to that later and see if I can duplicate.
So I take it no one has heard of this before?
-Matt
On 4/18/05, Matt England mengland@mengland.net wrote:
At 4/18/2005 09:10 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Matt England wrote:
I'm finding that my Opera and Firefox browsers do not always jump to the anchor in an article be it on my private, SSL-protected MediaWiki server or meta.wikipedia.org. eg, when going to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels#Nicknames , the browser does not always "jump" to the Nicknames section.
Is the page not completely done?
The page was completely loaded.
Is some resource still loading?
No.
Is the throbber still going?
No.
Is the stop button still clickable?
No.
I routinely check all these things whenever I have page trouble for anything. The page was fully loaded. The anchor just didn't jump. I even waited for several seconds _after_ the page fully loaded. When I went to click on the TOC sections it *then* jumped immediately.
This happened on both my SSL-protected site and meta.mediawiki.org (as per above).
I suppose it's possible that it could not be a MediaWiki root cause. There would most likely be similarities across both our sites, if so? OR, it's simply my client machine. I'll test it other places and get back to this thread.
I have yet to experience anchor-jump problems on any other site/app that I use (and I've had phpBB running on my site in the same config for a while). If anything new crops up I'll let you know.
fyi, I did restart at least one of my browsers, and the problem still happened.
I haven't yet rebooted my WinXP machine. That's a little extreme for my tests at the moment, but I'll get to that later and see if I can duplicate.
So I take it no one has heard of this before?
-Matt
I'm not sure if this is helpful, but... I think I've noticed on Firefox (and not verified on IE) that if you open a new tab or window using a link with an anchor, it does not jump to the anchor. If you follow the link without opening a new tab/window then it will jump to the anchor.
-- Rich Holton
[[W:en:User:Rholton]]
On Apr 19, 2005, at 9:53am, Richard Holton wrote:
I'm not sure if this is helpful, but... I think I've noticed on Firefox (and not verified on IE) that if you open a new tab or window using a link with an anchor, it does not jump to the anchor. If you follow the link without opening a new tab/window then it will jump to the anchor.
I haven't seen this on Firefox 1.01. And one wouldn't expect it to be a problem since it is just another. valid URL. Has the original questioner (I forget who that was) checked the actual HTML source when this occurs to verify that there isn't a problem with the links in the generated HTML?
John Blumel
At 4/19/2005 08:53 AM, Richard Holton wrote:
I think I've noticed on Firefox (and not verified on IE) that if you open a new tab or window using a link with an anchor, it does not jump to the anchor.
That's precisely the case for me. Here's why this scenario is important:
I'm hoping to have external-URL references to MediaWiki docs/pages, and more specifically, a reference to a specific section in a page. The only way I know how to do this is to use URL "anchors" (the #this-is-section-3 kind of thing).
With an external reference (say in an email, a blog, a web forum, Word doc, another Wiki page, etc etc), a click to it will create another Firefox tab/window (or another Opera tab/window, or another IE browser, etc). I want my readers to be able to go to the specific section of the Wiki page, for that section will probably be associated from a particular context/content the reader was viewing (which linked to the Wiki section).
This scenario therefore becomes extremely important if I want to have "cross-referenced" content, even if it's just from Wiki page to Wiki page.
I assume this makes complete sense (and that I run the risk of possibly "talking down" to folks here), but if it doesn't, please let me know.
-Matt
At 4/19/2005 08:53 AM, Richard Holton wrote:
I'm not sure if this is helpful, but... I think I've noticed on Firefox (and not verified on IE) that if you open a new tab or window using a link with an anchor, it does not jump to the anchor. If you follow the link without opening a new tab/window then it will jump to the anchor.
-- Rich Holton
[[W:en:User:Rholton]]
On 4/19/05, Matt England mengland@mengland.net wrote:
I'm finding that my Opera and Firefox browsers do not always jump to the anchor in an article be it on my private, SSL-protected MediaWiki server or meta.wikipedia.org. eg, when going to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels#Nicknames , the browser does not always "jump" to the Nicknames section.
So I take it no one has heard of this before?
Well, it's the kind of intermittent problem that can be really awkward to spot and track down, but I think it may occasionally have happened to me. But it always seemed to be when the page load was taking its time, and I assumed it was because the anchor wasn't there to jump to yet. May or may not be the same problem though, and certainly doesn't go very far in diagnosing it...
On Apr 19, 2005, at 9:59am, Rowan Collins wrote:
Well, it's the kind of intermittent problem that can be really awkward to spot and track down, but I think it may occasionally have happened to me. But it always seemed to be when the page load was taking its time, and I assumed it was because the anchor wasn't there to jump to yet.
Firebird (and perhaps older Netscape/Mozilla browsers) used to have this problem but it seems to have been corrected in newer versions of Firefox (and one would expect Mozilla) which seem to wait until the anchor loads and then jump to it.
John Blumel
mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org