Shana, if you or someone writes a "dummies" book on the semantic mediawiki, I'll definitely buy a copy.
There are books on the semantic web but there aren't enough that are specific to an application. For example, there is no book on mediawiki and the semantic web technologies. there are books on Drupal which is
Using the semantic web technologies but none on drupal and the semantic web.
I did see a "dummies" book on " The Semantic Web" and did read it. It did both give a preview of what was coming and say that the semantic web exists already but without getting specific enough.
One book I got on Programming the Semantic Web failed to say that it used python, a language I never used, and didn't realize that knowledge of python would be essential to get anywhere with the book, past chapter 1.
I did find python interesting though J.
So, I've done a great deal of reading but a terribly limited amount of practical work with the semantic web. I haven't yet picked up a book or complete course that said "this is what the semantic web is all about and here is how we will specifically use it in application x." Where application x could be mediawiki or a different cms or something.
That's what is unfortunately lacking in my explorations.
And how are all these people creating foaf files with so little out there in terms of tools for doing that?
If there was a mediawiki extension for creating foaf files that would be awesome! And/or other related files, sioc, skos, etc.
Bruce
From: Shana Rosenberg [mailto:shanarosenberg@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:09 AM To: Bruce Whealton Cc: Semantic MediaWiki users; mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Mediawiki Beginners
Hey Bruce,
I've found it kind of hard myself to find really basic information. But between having a background (somewhat, not great) in programming, and being an information professional (cool name for librarian), AND the help from Yaron and others on this list I've been able to get some amazing and powerful things done with SMW, semantic forms, etc.
It was good advice from Yury to install semantic bundle instead of just SMW. Lots of great extensions are included and the install will take care of all of it for you (except that include needed in the LocalSettings.php). He also provided good links that I've pored over personally, but to be honest those are still not going to help the beginner faced with all this new stuff at once.
If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask, just don't think you will get the blow by blow "Here's the code to do what you want". Unless I know the answer to the question--then you will get the blow by blow including why it works because I've been writing tech documentation "for dummies" for over a decade now :)
If you have basic questions right now, why don't you reply to this thread and I'll see if I (or someone else, if they want!) can answer them.
The most important thing to start out with is to be able to answer the question "What am I trying to do?". If you don't have a clear vision for what you want your wiki to do -- and I mean fundamental stuff like "I want each page to look like Wikipedia with that box on the side" or "I want an event calendar", you are going to feel overwhelmed from the start. It is best to work on one feature at a time unless a feature is interconnected with another one.
:) Shana
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Bruce Whealton bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com wrote:
Can anyone recommend some good tutorials and training material for getting
up to speed with the semantic media wiki features of mediawiki?
I have it installed and saw a few videos and went to the wiki but I want to
learn more and get better at this.
Thanks in advance,
Bruce
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Hello all, I just downloaded the Semantic Bundle and put it where it should be. I then added the two specified lines to my LocalSettings.php file And when I browsed to the home page of my wiki I got this message: "MediaWiki internal error.
Exception caught inside exception handler" It doesn't explain much but if I comment out the SemanticBundle.php file and just have the SemanticBundleSettings.php file it works fine in so far that it displays the front page. However, it doesn't have the semantic mediawiki extensions included. Any idea as to what I should do? I could try installing each extension separately.
As another aside, if I have a wiki that had the semantic web extension but not the rest of the bundle I'm going to have to install the extensions individually for that wiki, right? Unless it is possible to export the contents of my wiki and recreate it, since it is fairly small. Probably installing each extension individually would be much better. Thanks, Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Bruce Whealton [mailto:bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:49 PM To: 'Shana Rosenberg' Cc: 'Semantic MediaWiki users'; mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Mediawiki Beginners
Shana, if you or someone writes a "dummies" book on the semantic mediawiki, I'll definitely buy a copy.
There are books on the semantic web but there aren't enough that are specific to an application. For example, there is no book on mediawiki and the semantic web technologies. there are books on Drupal which is
Using the semantic web technologies but none on drupal and the semantic web.
I did see a "dummies" book on " The Semantic Web" and did read it. It did both give a preview of what was coming and say that the semantic web exists already but without getting specific enough.
One book I got on Programming the Semantic Web failed to say that it used python, a language I never used, and didn't realize that knowledge of python would be essential to get anywhere with the book, past chapter 1.
I did find python interesting though J.
So, I've done a great deal of reading but a terribly limited amount of practical work with the semantic web. I haven't yet picked up a book or complete course that said "this is what the semantic web is all about and here is how we will specifically use it in application x." Where application x could be mediawiki or a different cms or something.
That's what is unfortunately lacking in my explorations.
And how are all these people creating foaf files with so little out there in terms of tools for doing that?
If there was a mediawiki extension for creating foaf files that would be awesome! And/or other related files, sioc, skos, etc.
Bruce
From: Shana Rosenberg [mailto:shanarosenberg@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:09 AM To: Bruce Whealton Cc: Semantic MediaWiki users; mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Mediawiki Beginners
Hey Bruce,
I've found it kind of hard myself to find really basic information. But between having a background (somewhat, not great) in programming, and being an information professional (cool name for librarian), AND the help from Yaron and others on this list I've been able to get some amazing and powerful things done with SMW, semantic forms, etc.
It was good advice from Yury to install semantic bundle instead of just SMW. Lots of great extensions are included and the install will take care of all of it for you (except that include needed in the LocalSettings.php). He also provided good links that I've pored over personally, but to be honest those are still not going to help the beginner faced with all this new stuff at once.
If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask, just don't think you will get the blow by blow "Here's the code to do what you want". Unless I know the answer to the question--then you will get the blow by blow including why it works because I've been writing tech documentation "for dummies" for over a decade now :)
If you have basic questions right now, why don't you reply to this thread and I'll see if I (or someone else, if they want!) can answer them.
The most important thing to start out with is to be able to answer the question "What am I trying to do?". If you don't have a clear vision for what you want your wiki to do -- and I mean fundamental stuff like "I want each page to look like Wikipedia with that box on the side" or "I want an event calendar", you are going to feel overwhelmed from the start. It is best to work on one feature at a time unless a feature is interconnected with another one.
:) Shana
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Bruce Whealton bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com wrote:
Can anyone recommend some good tutorials and training material for getting
up to speed with the semantic media wiki features of mediawiki?
I have it installed and saw a few videos and went to the wiki but I want to
learn more and get better at this.
Thanks in advance,
Bruce
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I realized I needed to install the extensions not all at once. I should have read further. Some extensions need to be loaded later After the tables are created.
I did run into one problem I couldn't fix yet, though. The Semantic Maps extension had to be removed because it couldn't find a table And I don't know where or how that table is created. There doesn't seem to be any code that would create the coord_sm table and there is no Sql file that I've seen. Anyone know about this? Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Bruce Whealton [mailto:bruce@futurewavedesigns.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:18 PM To: 'Bruce Whealton' Cc: 'Semantic MediaWiki users'; mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: RE: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Mediawiki Beginners - Installation problem
Hello all, I just downloaded the Semantic Bundle and put it where it should be. I then added the two specified lines to my LocalSettings.php file And when I browsed to the home page of my wiki I got this message: "MediaWiki internal error.
Exception caught inside exception handler" It doesn't explain much but if I comment out the SemanticBundle.php file and just have the SemanticBundleSettings.php file it works fine in so far that it displays the front page. However, it doesn't have the semantic mediawiki extensions included. Any idea as to what I should do? I could try installing each extension separately.
As another aside, if I have a wiki that had the semantic web extension but not the rest of the bundle I'm going to have to install the extensions individually for that wiki, right? Unless it is possible to export the contents of my wiki and recreate it, since it is fairly small. Probably installing each extension individually would be much better. Thanks, Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Bruce Whealton [mailto:bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:49 PM To: 'Shana Rosenberg' Cc: 'Semantic MediaWiki users'; mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Mediawiki Beginners
Shana, if you or someone writes a "dummies" book on the semantic mediawiki, I'll definitely buy a copy.
There are books on the semantic web but there aren't enough that are specific to an application. For example, there is no book on mediawiki and the semantic web technologies. there are books on Drupal which is
Using the semantic web technologies but none on drupal and the semantic web.
I did see a "dummies" book on " The Semantic Web" and did read it. It did both give a preview of what was coming and say that the semantic web exists already but without getting specific enough.
One book I got on Programming the Semantic Web failed to say that it used python, a language I never used, and didn't realize that knowledge of python would be essential to get anywhere with the book, past chapter 1.
I did find python interesting though J.
So, I've done a great deal of reading but a terribly limited amount of practical work with the semantic web. I haven't yet picked up a book or complete course that said "this is what the semantic web is all about and here is how we will specifically use it in application x." Where application x could be mediawiki or a different cms or something.
That's what is unfortunately lacking in my explorations.
And how are all these people creating foaf files with so little out there in terms of tools for doing that?
If there was a mediawiki extension for creating foaf files that would be awesome! And/or other related files, sioc, skos, etc.
Bruce
From: Shana Rosenberg [mailto:shanarosenberg@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:09 AM To: Bruce Whealton Cc: Semantic MediaWiki users; mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic Mediawiki Beginners
Hey Bruce,
I've found it kind of hard myself to find really basic information. But between having a background (somewhat, not great) in programming, and being an information professional (cool name for librarian), AND the help from Yaron and others on this list I've been able to get some amazing and powerful things done with SMW, semantic forms, etc.
It was good advice from Yury to install semantic bundle instead of just SMW. Lots of great extensions are included and the install will take care of all of it for you (except that include needed in the LocalSettings.php). He also provided good links that I've pored over personally, but to be honest those are still not going to help the beginner faced with all this new stuff at once.
If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask, just don't think you will get the blow by blow "Here's the code to do what you want". Unless I know the answer to the question--then you will get the blow by blow including why it works because I've been writing tech documentation "for dummies" for over a decade now :)
If you have basic questions right now, why don't you reply to this thread and I'll see if I (or someone else, if they want!) can answer them.
The most important thing to start out with is to be able to answer the question "What am I trying to do?". If you don't have a clear vision for what you want your wiki to do -- and I mean fundamental stuff like "I want each page to look like Wikipedia with that box on the side" or "I want an event calendar", you are going to feel overwhelmed from the start. It is best to work on one feature at a time unless a feature is interconnected with another one.
:) Shana
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Bruce Whealton bwhealton@futurewavedesigns.com wrote:
Can anyone recommend some good tutorials and training material for getting
up to speed with the semantic media wiki features of mediawiki?
I have it installed and saw a few videos and went to the wiki but I want to
learn more and get better at this.
Thanks in advance,
Bruce
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