Platonides (and others) don't post through Gmane! Just mail directly to the WMF lists, please.
Of the $ w3m -dump -cols 222 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2009-April/author.html |grep -c Platonides$ 17 articles you posted, only $ w3m -dump -cols 222 'http://search.gmane.org/?query=&author=Platonides%40gmail.com&group=... -c Platonides.*2009-04 5 are visible on Gmane, the remaining 12 met the fate of http://gmane.org/spam-control.php , meaning they are invisible to normal Gmane users, unless you know their secret URLs, like $ lynx -dump -width=222 -nolist http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/30592/raw |grep -A 5 X-Spam-Report X-Spam-Report: 5.9 points; * 0.9 HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (Split IP) * 4.5 SPF_HELO_FAIL SPF: HELO does not match SPF record (fail) * [SPF failed: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=rima-tde.net&ip=88.4.227.135&re...] * 0.5 DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS RBL: Envelope sender in whois.rfc-ignorant.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki:30592 gmane.spam.detected:4359838
But from a non-marked-as-spam article of yours: $ lynx -dump -width=222 -nolist http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/30712/raw |grep X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 22.red-83-51-57.dynamicip.rima-tde.net
$ host -t txt rima-tde.net rima-tde.net TXT "v=spf1 mx:rima-tde.net -all"
Hmmm... http://www.openspf.org/SPF_Record_Syntax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework#SPF_FAIL_rejection http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39228023-39001093c-20049704o,00... http://david.woodhou.se/why-not-spf.html Etc. I give up. Anyway, let this be a warning for others who don't post directly.
Now let's turn to people reading lists via Gmane's NNTP interface. To be able to see Platonides's messages, one needs to not have any filter group=gmane.spam.detected action=discard etc. in their readers.
Thanks for noticing.
Seems it's only an issue for mails sent through gmane (and getting scored), for people reading through gmane and relying on gmane.spam.detection.
Now let's turn to people reading lists via Gmane's NNTP interface. To be able to see Platonides's messages, one needs to not have any filter group=gmane.spam.detected action=discard etc. in their readers.
Why would that rule be there? Does any news reader include it by default? I haven't still seen spam on any gmane ml, which would require filtering.
Follow the exciting details in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/12234
The only Gmane reading users who will see the (more than half of) Platonides' posts that were marked as spam are the users who use the Gmane NNTP interface. The users of the web Gmane interface won't see them, as per http://gmane.org/spam.php .
And for us Gmane NNTP users who trusted Gmane's judgement on what was spam, and put things into their noffle.conf etc. NNTP clients' configuration files like filter group=gmane.spam.detected action=discard well, now we must do e.g., $ wget -O - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-April.txt.gz | grepmail -h Platonides|grepmail -h jidanni for every month, for every mailing list, to find all the valuable replies we missed. (matching From:.*Platonides.*References:.*@jidanni.org)
jidanni wrote:
Follow the exciting details in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/12234
The only Gmane reading users who will see the (more than half of) Platonides' posts that were marked as spam are the users who use the Gmane NNTP interface. The users of the web Gmane interface won't see them, as per http://gmane.org/spam.php .
and those not using gmane at all.
And for us Gmane NNTP users who trusted Gmane's judgement on what was spam, and put things into their noffle.conf etc. NNTP clients' configuration files like filter group=gmane.spam.detected action=discard well, now we must do e.g., $ wget -O - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-April.txt.gz | grepmail -h Platonides|grepmail -h jidanni for every month, for every mailing list, to find all the valuable replies we missed. (matching From:.*Platonides.*References:.*@jidanni.org)
I'm no expert on nntp clients, but wouldn't removing the filter and reconnecting to gmane update your client with those messages, which would be marked as unread? Remember that gmane doesn't expire the posts.
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