Hi,
Excuse what may be a stupid question, but I was burned using another Wiki software so I have become more cautious: does MediWiki expire old versions of article and talk pages and delete these from the database? Or are all versions kept indefinitely (which is what I want)?
Robert.
Robert P. Biuk-Aghai wrote:
Excuse what may be a stupid question, but I was burned using another Wiki software so I have become more cautious: does MediWiki expire old versions of article and talk pages and delete these from the database? Or are all versions kept indefinitely (which is what I want)?
MediaWiki keeps all versions forever.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
How can we delete it if we don't want to keep it?
On 1/12/06, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Robert P. Biuk-Aghai wrote:
Excuse what may be a stupid question, but I was burned using another Wiki software so I have become more cautious: does MediWiki expire old versions of article and talk pages and delete these from the database? Or are all versions kept indefinitely (which is what I want)?
MediaWiki keeps all versions forever.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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You can mark specific revisions as deleted, and delete entire pages, but a wiki engine is designed to keep old versions available in order to allow them to be restored; whether this is undeleting entire pages, or revisions, or merely rolling back/reverting to an older version of a page, for whatever reason.
Rob Church
On 12/01/06, Dharmaweb.org dharmaweb@gmail.com wrote:
How can we delete it if we don't want to keep it?
On 1/12/06, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Robert P. Biuk-Aghai wrote:
Excuse what may be a stupid question, but I was burned using another Wiki software so I have become more cautious: does MediWiki expire old versions of article and talk pages and delete these from the database? Or are all versions kept indefinitely (which is what I want)?
MediaWiki keeps all versions forever.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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I hear you about the intended design of the engine is to keep everything. Not every MediaWiki is intended to be used like wikipedia. Sometimes, it's not good to keep history for whatever purpose, such as space requirement, sensitive info, copyrighted material, spambot and etc...There should be a status code field where you can specified if the current page then the code is 1 or and older pages should be 0 or something else. As a site admin, all I have to do is delete the page with statuscode other than 1.
On 1/12/06, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
You can mark specific revisions as deleted, and delete entire pages, but a wiki engine is designed to keep old versions available in order to allow them to be restored; whether this is undeleting entire pages, or revisions, or merely rolling back/reverting to an older version of a page, for whatever reason.
Rob Church
On 12/01/06, Dharmaweb.org dharmaweb@gmail.com wrote:
How can we delete it if we don't want to keep it?
On 1/12/06, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Robert P. Biuk-Aghai wrote:
Excuse what may be a stupid question, but I was burned using another Wiki software so I have become more cautious: does MediWiki expire
old
versions of article and talk pages and delete these from the
database?
Or are all versions kept indefinitely (which is what I want)?
MediaWiki keeps all versions forever.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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Dharmaweb.org wrote:
How can we delete it if we don't want to keep it?
You could try using one of those wiki engines that is designed to destroy data by default, such as UseMod.
MediaWiki is designed for Wikipedia and sites like it, and permanent retention of edits is thus an absolute requirement for MediaWiki's target "market". If someone recommended MediaWiki to you for a very limited-resource environment where you can't afford to keep a little text around, you may have been misinformed.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On 1/12/06, Dharmaweb.org dharmaweb@gmail.com wrote:
How can we delete it if we don't want to keep it?
A while back I asked this same question. It seems that a lot of people ask it and this feature won't be implemented for political reasons.
However, I am hopeful that there are ways. When I asked, Rob replied with:
Undelete the pages; yes, undelete. Then nip into the page table and find out the page id...delete that page's row from the page table. Hop over to the revisions table and delete all rows where rev_page is the same as that page id. That's a permanent deletion; the page never existed.
For the small touches, check that corresponding revisions are wiped from the recent changes table, too.
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I haven't tried this, but I want to someday (for various reasons).
If you do try this, please report back. There are many people who would be interested to learn of your experiences because we want to use MediaWiki for what we want and it's capable of and not be limited to how others use it or what it's built for.
... now if I take this hammer, and I turn it around and I use the pry-part and wriggle it into the head of the screw, and I turn ...
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