I am new to mediawiki, so a couple of questions:
I really want to encourage people to contribute, but out-of-the box mediawiki seems a bit daunting to users. Maybe the below questions are just UI tweaks, so I would appreciate any guidance:
* "Guestbook" is there a way that a familiar "comment" box, or "add stuff here" box can be added to a page? A little like a very user-friendly guestbook, or a "comments" box on a blog. Currently people have to "edit this page" and then users get scared they might mess up the site.
* Discussion Tab - template? I notice wikipedia (and many other wikis) have a tab for the discussion area- is this simply a template within mediawiki, or a whole different thing? I couldnt find it in out of the box "skins" setting...
* discussion inline? Also, can this discussion content be "inline" - eg after the meat of the page? the items they are discussing? Or always on another tab... it is hidden and doesnt motivate users to contribute "like others"
* "new page" button afaik, currently users have to edit a page, add an undefined link, save page, click link, edit new page.... very lengthy. Is there not just an "add new page" way to add stuff? Granted, this would not be obviously linked to anything, but seems more familiar to people...and new pages would show up in a "whats new".
Sorry if these seem like basic questions and any help appreciated.
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- "Guestbook" is there a way that a familiar "comment" box, or "add
stuff here" box can be added to a page? A little like a very user-friendly guestbook, or a "comments" box on a blog. Currently people have to "edit this page" and then users get scared they might mess up the site.
does the Talk site (attached to each and every page) do this? look for the tab that says 'talk', near 'edit'.
D_C d3ntaku@gmail.com wrote:
I am new to mediawiki, so a couple of questions:
- "Guestbook"
is there a way that a familiar "comment" box, or "add stuff here" box can be added to a page? A little like a very user-friendly guestbook, or a "comments" box on a blog.
While I can't think of a way of creating anything as direct as a wide-open textarea, there are a few features you could exploit to make things more inviting / obvious.
- Discussion Tab - template?
I notice wikipedia (and many other wikis) have a tab for the discussion area- is this simply a template within mediawiki, or a whole different thing? I couldnt find it in out of the box "skins" setting...
The discussion tab appears on every single article, right out of the box. There's no way of *removing* it without carefully hacking up the source code! All it does is link to a separate wiki page for holding discussions on - it evolved out of the desire of Wikipedians to keep the articles looking like articles, and have discussion associated with but visually separate from each one. (More traditional wikis consider discussion to be simply content that hasn't been fully refactored yet, and treat the whole site as more of a collective brainstorm than a collaborative development project.)
Note that if the discussion page has not been created yet, the link will appear red, and go straight to an edit box to create it. If it does exist, the link will take you to the existing discussion, which you will then have to edit.
- discussion inline?
Also, can this discussion content be "inline" - eg after the meat of the page? the items they are discussing? Or always on another tab... it is hidden and doesnt motivate users to contribute "like others"
There's certainly nothing to stop you adding a "==Discussion==" header at the bottom of every article - although as yet there is no way of creating this automatically on new pages. The section could then be editted individually (via the little link marked "[edit]") - I think this usually only shows up for logged-in users, but that may be alterable in the settings.
As well as editting existing sections on their own, there is a link on discussion pages for adding a *new* section (somewhat hidden as a little tab marked "+" in the default monobook skin). And by exploiting the URL scheme for that, and a few magic variables (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Variable) you can add it to *any* page, with something like: * [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit§ion=new}} Add a new section to this page.]
Don't worry, you don't have to type all that every time, you can use a template (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template). For instance, put the above in the page [[Template:newsectionlink]] and you can add it to any page just by typing "{{newsectionlink}}"!
I know this doesn't really answer your question, but I'm just giving some examples of how existing features can be exploited to get something approaching what you're after.
- "new page" button
afaik, currently users have to edit a page, add an undefined link, save page, click link, edit new page.... very lengthy. Is there not just an "add new page" way to add stuff?
This seems to be an increasingly common request, and there is no specific feature for this in the current software. As well as the "orphan" problem you identify, making it too easy to create a new page runs the risk of duplicate articles being created with similar names, because people failed to search adequately; of course, this could also be blamed on the software's search facility, and there have been some promising experiments in this area recently.
One thing that comes close is to edit the interface message which appears when you type a non-existent page into the search box and click "Go" by editting [[MediaWiki:nogomatch]]. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Nogomatch for an example of this.
Rowan Collins rowan.collins@gmail.com wrote:
- Discussion Tab - template?
I notice wikipedia (and many other wikis) have a tab for the discussion area- is this simply a template within mediawiki, or a whole different thing? I couldnt find it in out of the box "skins" setting...
The discussion tab appears on every single article, right out of the box. There's no way of *removing* it without carefully hacking up the source code! All it does is link to a separate wiki page for holding discussions on - it evolved out of the desire of Wikipedians to keep the articles looking like articles, and have discussion associated with but visually separate from each one. (More traditional wikis consider discussion to be simply content that hasn't been fully refactored yet, and treat the whole site as more of a collective brainstorm than a collaborative development project.)
Perhaps if a separate Talk namespace is deemed superfluous, it could be reappropriated for another purpose?
For example you could possibly: * Rename the "Talk:" namespace to "Archive:", retitle the "discussion" tab "archive" also, etc., * Encourage all activity on the ordinary article page, * Then use the associated formerly-talk-but-now-archive page to store old "thread-mode" discussions.
Just an idea. Not sure how well it'd work. (At the very least, it might confuse people familiar with Wikipedia or other mediawiki wikis that retain the original behavior.)
*Muke!
Thanks for all the info, I think I am getting more familiar with mediawiki:
Q:
The discussion tab appears on every single article, right out of the box. There's no way of *removing* it without carefully hacking up the source code! All it does is link to a separate wiki page for holding
hmm, this isn't what I experienced. These were the skin options I have, none of which have the wikipedia "tab at the top" style. Is this a separate template available somewhere? The skins avail thru preferences are: - Classic - Nostalgia - Cologne Blue
There is a discuss this page -link- at the bottom, but quite a different feel... Is there a separate PHP file I can edit to set a different skin that has the wikipedia looknfeel?
site: http://pikkle.com/notes/index.php?title=Main_Page
Tx,
/dc
The missing skin is called monobook. You cannot see monobook because you are using mediawiki v1.3.x with php v5.x. Monobook is available if you upgrade mediawiki to the latest 1.4 beta, or downgrade php to v4.x.
-- Zigger
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:03:59 +0900, D_C wrote:
... hmm, this isn't what I experienced. These were the skin options I have, none of which have the wikipedia "tab at the top" style. Is this a separate template available somewhere? The skins avail thru preferences are:
- Classic
- Nostalgia
- Cologne Blue
There is a discuss this page -link- at the bottom, but quite a different feel... Is there a separate PHP file I can edit to set a different skin that has the wikipedia looknfeel?
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