Hi all,
I think I already know the answer to this, but I thought I would run it by some people with more expierience with Mediawiki than I.
I want to create a wiki where I can create different sections that different groups will use and assign permissions for each of the groups.
Think departments in a company and creating different department groups and not allow people outside of that department group to see that department section.
From everything I've been reading this would be sort of like page by
page permissions only with sections and while there are some page by page extensions, there is a disclaimer on the ones that require a core code change that Mediawiki wasn't really designed for page by page permissions.
I guess my question is am I right in my conclusions? Has anyone had any success implementing some of the page by page permissions extensions whether it be the ones requiring core code changes or not?
If anyone has had experience setting up this kind of environment and can recommend an alternative CMS, I would appreciate it as well.
Thank you,
GT
On 05/10/2007, GT4NE1 gt4ne1@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I think I already know the answer to this, but I thought I would run it by some people with more expierience with Mediawiki than I.
I want to create a wiki where I can create different sections that different groups will use and assign permissions for each of the groups.
Think departments in a company and creating different department groups and not allow people outside of that department group to see that department section.
From everything I've been reading this would be sort of like page by page permissions only with sections and while there are some page by page extensions, there is a disclaimer on the ones that require a core code change that Mediawiki wasn't really designed for page by page permissions.
I guess my question is am I right in my conclusions? Has anyone had any success implementing some of the page by page permissions extensions whether it be the ones requiring core code changes or not?
If anyone has had experience setting up this kind of environment and can recommend an alternative CMS, I would appreciate it as well.
Looks like you've read it right. By "sections" you mean sections of the site, rather than sections of a page, right? There's no way you could have different permissions for different sections of the same page (although you might be able to do something with transclusion to simulate it). If you have each of the sections of the site as a namespace, you should be able to use one of the existing extensions (which may well involve changing the core code, but there should be instructions on what to change) to pretty much exactly what you want.
Yep, I meant sections of a site rather than sections of a page. Wasn't sure what to call it in Mediawiki since they don't really do that. :)
I did find the info about namespaces after I sent the original email. Something like that might work for me. It seems others have done what I am wanting to do with namespaces and some of the extensions.
At this point though, it seems like either creating different wikis for each department and using some interwiki linking extensions or using another CMS altogether might work better.
Thanks,
GT
On 10/5/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/10/2007, GT4NE1 gt4ne1@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I think I already know the answer to this, but I thought I would run it by some people with more expierience with Mediawiki than I.
I want to create a wiki where I can create different sections that different groups will use and assign permissions for each of the groups.
Think departments in a company and creating different department groups and not allow people outside of that department group to see that department section.
From everything I've been reading this would be sort of like page by page permissions only with sections and while there are some page by page extensions, there is a disclaimer on the ones that require a core code change that Mediawiki wasn't really designed for page by page permissions.
I guess my question is am I right in my conclusions? Has anyone had any success implementing some of the page by page permissions extensions whether it be the ones requiring core code changes or not?
If anyone has had experience setting up this kind of environment and can recommend an alternative CMS, I would appreciate it as well.
Looks like you've read it right. By "sections" you mean sections of the site, rather than sections of a page, right? There's no way you could have different permissions for different sections of the same page (although you might be able to do something with transclusion to simulate it). If you have each of the sections of the site as a namespace, you should be able to use one of the existing extensions (which may well involve changing the core code, but there should be instructions on what to change) to pretty much exactly what you want.
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I would love to see an example of using custom namespaces too if someone could point one out.
Thanks,
GT
On 10/5/07, GT4NE1 gt4ne1@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, I meant sections of a site rather than sections of a page. Wasn't sure what to call it in Mediawiki since they don't really do that. :)
I did find the info about namespaces after I sent the original email. Something like that might work for me. It seems others have done what I am wanting to do with namespaces and some of the extensions.
At this point though, it seems like either creating different wikis for each department and using some interwiki linking extensions or using another CMS altogether might work better.
Thanks,
GT
On 10/5/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/10/2007, GT4NE1 gt4ne1@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I think I already know the answer to this, but I thought I would run it by some people with more expierience with Mediawiki than I.
I want to create a wiki where I can create different sections that different groups will use and assign permissions for each of the groups.
Think departments in a company and creating different department groups and not allow people outside of that department group to see that department section.
From everything I've been reading this would be sort of like page by page permissions only with sections and while there are some page by page extensions, there is a disclaimer on the ones that require a core code change that Mediawiki wasn't really designed for page by page permissions.
I guess my question is am I right in my conclusions? Has anyone had any success implementing some of the page by page permissions extensions whether it be the ones requiring core code changes or not?
If anyone has had experience setting up this kind of environment and can recommend an alternative CMS, I would appreciate it as well.
Looks like you've read it right. By "sections" you mean sections of the site, rather than sections of a page, right? There's no way you could have different permissions for different sections of the same page (although you might be able to do something with transclusion to simulate it). If you have each of the sections of the site as a namespace, you should be able to use one of the existing extensions (which may well involve changing the core code, but there should be instructions on what to change) to pretty much exactly what you want.
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Looks like you've read it right. By "sections" you mean sections of
the site, rather than sections of a page, right? There's no way you could have different permissions for different sections of the same page (although you might be able to do something with transclusion to simulate it).
Althought it might not be the right thing to do .. why couldn't you have a TAG that is parsed and remove a section?
Once again the whole discussion of security and what should and should not be done is another thing ..
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On 05/10/2007, GT4NE1 gt4ne1@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I think I already know the answer to this, but I thought I would run it by some people with more expierience with Mediawiki than I.
I want to create a wiki where I can create different sections that different groups will use and assign permissions for each of the groups.
Think departments in a company and creating different department groups and not allow people outside of that department group to see that department section.
From everything I've been reading this would be sort of like page by page permissions only with sections and while there are some page by page extensions, there is a disclaimer on the ones that require a core code change that Mediawiki wasn't really designed for page by page permissions.
I guess my question is am I right in my conclusions? Has anyone had any success implementing some of the page by page permissions extensions whether it be the ones requiring core code changes or not?
If anyone has had experience setting up this kind of environment and can recommend an alternative CMS, I would appreciate it as well.
Looks like you've read it right. By "sections" you mean sections of the site, rather than sections of a page, right? There's no way you could have different permissions for different sections of the same page (although you might be able to do something with transclusion to simulate it). If you have each of the sections of the site as a namespace, you should be able to use one of the existing extensions (which may well involve changing the core code, but there should be instructions on what to change) to pretty much exactly what you want.
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Hello,
While setting up the wiki, I saw the "a value for session.save_path has not beend set in php.ini" warning. I found the only /etc/php.ini and varfied session.save_path is set to /var/lib/php/session. I also checked that appache has the group write permission to it. So I thought that was a false warning and just documented it.
Now I get the "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." Internal error while uploading n image. I relaxed the permission to the world for /var/lib/php/session and specified the full path /var/lib/php/session/image.png for upload destination. It still get the same error.
Anybody can help? Does mediawiki actually use another upload area?
Nelson
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MW uploads to the images subdirectory in the mediawiki directory
On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Nelson A Li wrote:
Hello,
While setting up the wiki, I saw the "a value for session.save_path has not beend set in php.ini" warning. I found the only /etc/php.ini and varfied session.save_path is set to /var/lib/php/session. I also checked that appache has the group write permission to it. So I thought that was a false warning and just documented it.
Now I get the "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." Internal error while uploading n image. I relaxed the permission to the world for /var/lib/php/session and specified the full path /var/lib/php/session/image.png for upload destination. It still get the same error.
Anybody can help? Does mediawiki actually use another upload area?
Nelson
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Thank you. I uploaded the image. How about files (not images)? Which directory do they go to?
Nelson
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MW uploads to the images subdirectory in the mediawiki directory
On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Nelson A Li wrote:
Hello,
While setting up the wiki, I saw the "a value for session.save_path has not beend set in php.ini" warning. I found the only /etc/php.ini and varfied session.save_path is set to /var/lib/php/session. I also checked that appache has the group write permission to it. So I thought that was a false warning and just documented it.
Now I get the "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." Internal error while uploading n image. I relaxed the permission to the world for /var/lib/php/session and specified the full path /var/lib/php/session/image.png for upload destination. It still get the same error.
Anybody can help? Does mediawiki actually use another upload area?
Nelson
Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 2100 East Grand Avenue, El Segundo California 90245, USA Registered in USA No: C-489-59
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I believe MediaWiki views all uploaded files as images.
On 10/5/07, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
Thank you. I uploaded the image. How about files (not images)? Which directory do they go to?
Nelson
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Jim Hu <jimhu@tamu.edu> Sent by: To mediawiki-l-bounc MediaWiki announcements and site es@lists.wikimedi admin list a.org <mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org> cc 10/05/2007 03:09 Subject PM Re: [Mediawiki-l] Upload failed Please respond to MediaWiki announcements and site admin list <mediawiki-l@list s.wikimedia.org>MW uploads to the images subdirectory in the mediawiki directory
On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Nelson A Li wrote:
Hello,
While setting up the wiki, I saw the "a value for session.save_path has not beend set in php.ini" warning. I found the only /etc/php.ini and varfied session.save_path is set to /var/lib/php/session. I also checked that appache has the group write permission to it. So I thought that was a false warning and just documented it.
Now I get the "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." Internal error while uploading n image. I relaxed the permission to the world for /var/lib/php/session and specified the full path /var/lib/php/session/image.png for upload destination. It still get the same error.
Anybody can help? Does mediawiki actually use another upload area?
Nelson
Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 2100 East Grand Avenue, El Segundo California 90245, USA Registered in USA No: C-489-59
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Yes. I actually played with it a little bit. But it does not take the pps file. Any configuration I can "twick" to run pps on mediawiki?
Nelson
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I believe MediaWiki views all uploaded files as images.
On 10/5/07, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
Thank you. I uploaded the image. How about files (not images)? Which directory do they go to?
Nelson
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On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Nelson A Li wrote:
Hello,
While setting up the wiki, I saw the "a value for session.save_path has not beend set in php.ini" warning. I found the only /etc/php.ini and varfied session.save_path is set to /var/lib/php/session. I also checked that appache has the group write permission to it. So I thought that was a false warning and just documented it.
Now I get the "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." Internal error while uploading n image. I relaxed the permission to the world for /var/lib/php/session and specified the full path /var/lib/php/session/image.png for upload destination. It still get the same error.
Anybody can help? Does mediawiki actually use another upload area?
Nelson
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Yes, search on mediawiki.org for file types. There are security considerations with certain file types though, and neither me or the MediaWiki developers are responsible should you choose to enable these.
On 10/5/07, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
Yes. I actually played with it a little bit. But it does not take the pps file. Any configuration I can "twick" to run pps on mediawiki?
Nelson
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On 10/5/07, Nelson A Li nli@csc.com wrote:
Thank you. I uploaded the image. How about files (not images)? Which directory do they go to?
Nelson
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On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Nelson A Li wrote:
Hello,
While setting up the wiki, I saw the "a value for session.save_path has not beend set in php.ini" warning. I found the only /etc/php.ini and varfied session.save_path is set to /var/lib/php/session. I also checked that appache has the group write permission to it. So I thought that was a false warning and just documented it.
Now I get the "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." Internal error while uploading n image. I relaxed the permission to the world for /var/lib/php/session and specified the full path /var/lib/php/session/image.png for upload destination. It still get the same error.
Anybody can help? Does mediawiki actually use another upload area?
Nelson
Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 2100 East Grand Avenue, El Segundo California 90245, USA Registered in USA No: C-489-59
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