Hello all, Based on several discussions here and there I want to move [[Manual:Pywikibot]] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PWB (and all of the subpages which are about 200 pages) to [[Pywikibot]] like other products
Another reason that motivates me to move is the page (and subpages) aren't just about running a bot. they are about everything, including reports, discussions, description about scripts and anything about pywikibot in general.
If you disagree or you have any ideas please feel free to share and if there will be no objection until Tuesday, I'll move them.
Best
On Sat, 24 May 2014 06:21:32 +0430, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, Based on several discussions here and there I want to move [[Manual:Pywikibot]] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PWB (and all of
the
subpages which are about 200 pages) to [[Pywikibot]] like other products
Another reason that motivates me to move is the page (and subpages)
aren't
just about running a bot. they are about everything, including reports, discussions, description about scripts and anything about pywikibot in general.
If you disagree or you have any ideas please feel free to share and if there will be no objection until Tuesday, I'll move them.
Best
Really? If that is the intention, then we should be looking to reword components of mediawiki.org, as that seems to be a bit of disconnect ...
[[Project:Namespaces]] says
Main: All general information ''about'' the software. Manual: All technical or more detailed stuff behind the surface, that is not part of the basic help pages (full handbook, mainly for people setting up their own wiki). Extension: All extensions and directly related stuff. ... Extensions and tools, that are not part of the default MediaWiki distribution.
If it is not integral to the operations of Mediawiki, doesn't it belong in with the tools?
Regards, Billinghurst
The problem is PWB can't fit in any of the any of the namespace completely, for example about the manual: "mainly for people setting up their own wiki": No one needs to start their own wiki to make a bot running and it's not too technical to be there.
in other hands main namespace never was completely about general information about mediawiki software. you can find pages like [[Flow]], [[Echo]], etc. that they are completely separated from mediawiki core and they have lots of subpages in the main namespace too
On 5/24/14, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2014 06:21:32 +0430, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, Based on several discussions here and there I want to move [[Manual:Pywikibot]] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PWB (and all of
the
subpages which are about 200 pages) to [[Pywikibot]] like other products
Another reason that motivates me to move is the page (and subpages)
aren't
just about running a bot. they are about everything, including reports, discussions, description about scripts and anything about pywikibot in general.
If you disagree or you have any ideas please feel free to share and if there will be no objection until Tuesday, I'll move them.
Best
Really? If that is the intention, then we should be looking to reword components of mediawiki.org, as that seems to be a bit of disconnect ...
[[Project:Namespaces]] says
Main: All general information ''about'' the software. Manual: All technical or more detailed stuff behind the surface, that is not part of the basic help pages (full handbook, mainly for people setting up their own wiki). Extension: All extensions and directly related stuff. ... Extensions and tools, that are not part of the default MediaWiki distribution.
If it is not integral to the operations of Mediawiki, doesn't it belong in with the tools?
Regards, Billinghurst
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Another good example would be [[Gerrit]] and it's subpages
On 5/24/14, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is PWB can't fit in any of the any of the namespace completely, for example about the manual: "mainly for people setting up their own wiki": No one needs to start their own wiki to make a bot running and it's not too technical to be there.
in other hands main namespace never was completely about general information about mediawiki software. you can find pages like [[Flow]], [[Echo]], etc. that they are completely separated from mediawiki core and they have lots of subpages in the main namespace too
On 5/24/14, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2014 06:21:32 +0430, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, Based on several discussions here and there I want to move [[Manual:Pywikibot]] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PWB (and all of
the
subpages which are about 200 pages) to [[Pywikibot]] like other products
Another reason that motivates me to move is the page (and subpages)
aren't
just about running a bot. they are about everything, including reports, discussions, description about scripts and anything about pywikibot in general.
If you disagree or you have any ideas please feel free to share and if there will be no objection until Tuesday, I'll move them.
Best
Really? If that is the intention, then we should be looking to reword components of mediawiki.org, as that seems to be a bit of disconnect ...
[[Project:Namespaces]] says
Main: All general information ''about'' the software. Manual: All technical or more detailed stuff behind the surface, that is not part of the basic help pages (full handbook, mainly for people setting up their own wiki). Extension: All extensions and directly related stuff. ... Extensions and tools, that are not part of the default MediaWiki distribution.
If it is not integral to the operations of Mediawiki, doesn't it belong in with the tools?
Regards, Billinghurst
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
-- Amir
Seems that we have made some interesting decisions about where our tools sit, and the purpose of our main namespace for Mediawiki.org.
I was merely pointing out the logic against the words we used. I don't mind which but let us fix the discrepancies in placement, or words, or logic.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Sat, 24 May 2014 10:23:46 +0430, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Another good example would be [[Gerrit]] and it's subpages
On 5/24/14, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is PWB can't fit in any of the any of the namespace completely, for example about the manual: "mainly for people setting up their own wiki": No one needs to start their own wiki to make a bot running and it's not too technical to be there.
in other hands main namespace never was completely about general information about mediawiki software. you can find pages like [[Flow]], [[Echo]], etc. that they are completely separated from mediawiki core and they have lots of subpages in the main namespace too
On 5/24/14, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2014 06:21:32 +0430, Amir Ladsgroup
wrote:
Hello all, Based on several discussions here and there I want to move [[Manual:Pywikibot]] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PWB (and all of
the
subpages which are about 200 pages) to [[Pywikibot]] like other products
Another reason that motivates me to move is the page (and subpages)
aren't
just about running a bot. they are about everything, including
reports,
discussions, description about scripts and anything about pywikibot
in
general.
If you disagree or you have any ideas please feel free to share and
if
there will be no objection until Tuesday, I'll move them.
Best
Really? If that is the intention, then we should be looking to reword components of mediawiki.org, as that seems to be a bit of disconnect
...
[[Project:Namespaces]] says
Main: All general information ''about'' the software. Manual: All technical or more detailed stuff behind the surface, that
is
not part of the basic help pages (full handbook, mainly for people setting up their own wiki). Extension: All extensions and directly related stuff. ... Extensions and tools, that are not part of the default MediaWiki distribution.
If it is not integral to the operations of Mediawiki, doesn't it
belong
in with the tools?
Regards, Billinghurst
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
-- Amir
Subpages of [[Flow]], [[Echo]] and the like must not contain documentation: if you find documentation under them, move it to Manual or Help namespace. (Only a negligible portion of pages should be in breach though.)
Pywikibot is not forced to have everything under one page, that's just a byproduct of the import from Meta. If there is a cluster of non-documentation material on the development process or whatever, it would be useful to collect it under a single place in ns0.
Nemo
It's not correct see this for example: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Advanced_usage It's a textbook manual and exists in main namespace and I can show lots of similar pages.
So you say we change "Manual:Pywikibot" to "Pywikibot", change "Manual:Pywikibot/2.0/Porting status" to "Pywikibot/2.0/Porting status" and etc. but keep, "Manual:Pywikibot/Installation"? It doesn't make sense to me
Best
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.comwrote:
Subpages of [[Flow]], [[Echo]] and the like must not contain documentation: if you find documentation under them, move it to Manual or Help namespace. (Only a negligible portion of pages should be in breach though.)
Pywikibot is not forced to have everything under one page, that's just a byproduct of the import from Meta. If there is a cluster of non-documentation material on the development process or whatever, it would be useful to collect it under a single place in ns0.
Nemo
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