Brion, help. There are too many mails around - I cannot track them any longer. May I propose to you: can't you set up wikis for mediawiki-l and wikitech-l ***with e-mail notification*** ? Newcomers could post their questions onto the wiki, developers could answer, and whole message threads including solutions and patches would stay together and would be better to maintain. Of course, an installation with a working e-mail notification would support the communication with much lower mail transfer (remember, only _one_ e-mail is sent out for a watched page, until the watching user re-visits the watched page - can be weeks later). Perhaps: the both wikis only writeable for users who have registered with one of the mailing lists I propose my current en201+mw1.3.10 from http://meta.wikipedia.org/Enotif to be installed on something like wikitech.wikipedia.org or even Or be courageous and start trying it on meta.wikimedia.org . Good or bad idea ? Tom