The <div style="white-space: pre;"> idea doesn't work like <pre> does. Some things don't show up at all when you have the div inside of a template. Also, if you start a line with a space it puts a border around it anyway. Look at how this renders. <div style="white-space: pre;">a b c d e f g h i</div> Looks like I'll have to go the class route. It may be easier moving the styled <pre> into a class rather than creating a new <pre> style class and explicitly undoing all of the styling. ~Eric -----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Dantman Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:18 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] <pre> without styling Frederich, Eric P21322 wrote: to Not specifically, but you can achieve a similar effect just with styles. The only thing that really makes a pre act the way it does is white-space: pre; so if you use <div style="white-space: pre;">Pre text</div> it will act like a HTML pre tag but it won't add the styling that MediaWiki adds to pre tags. Alternately you could create a .nopre css class which would reverse the styling of the pre defined in the Monobook's css and use <pre class="nopre">Pre text</pre>. ~Daniel Friesen of The Gaiapedia and Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l