On Thursday 08 September 2005 02:17 pm, Wynandus DeVaal wrote:
I don,t want to receive anymore Emails
And visiting the website listed in every email footer to unsubscribe is apparently too much trouble for you, but bothering the list isn't?
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Other lists I have seem are set up to unsubscribe on a return e-mail with that as the subject, which is very nice.
On 8 Sep 2005 at 17:55, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thursday 08 September 2005 02:17 pm, Wynandus DeVaal wrote:
I don,t want to receive anymore Emails
And visiting the website listed in every email footer to unsubscribe is apparently too much trouble for you, but bothering the list isn't? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
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would also help if you spelt it correctly... but hey
B. Magilavy wrote:
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Other lists I have seem are set up to unsubscribe on a return e-mail with that as the subject, which is very nice.
On 8 Sep 2005 at 17:55, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thursday 08 September 2005 02:17 pm, Wynandus DeVaal wrote:
I don,t want to receive anymore Emails
And visiting the website listed in every email footer to unsubscribe is apparently too much trouble for you, but bothering the list isn't? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Avalon Internet email: bmagilavy@avalon-internet.com web: http://avalon-internet.com Telephone: +1 415-864-2089
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
On Thursday 08 September 2005 06:54 pm, B. Magilavy wrote:
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Every message already has a List-Unsubscribe header...
On 09/09/05, Paul Johnson baloo@ursine.ca wrote:
On Thursday 08 September 2005 06:54 pm, B. Magilavy wrote:
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Every message already has a List-Unsubscribe header...
And this is visible where in the average mail UA? The suggestion was to make the method "clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions", not "locatable if you're geeky enough to view the raw headers of an e-mail message". I think people with the latter quality would be inquisitive enough to work it out for themselves.
[Kind of reminds me of the discussion about putting a 'longdesc' attribute in images; since no UAs actually do anything with it, it wouldn't make any difference if it was there or not. Someone suggested adding CSS or JS to display it, but then we might as well store it wherever we feel like it, standard or no.]
On Friday 09 September 2005 08:08 am, Rowan Collins wrote:
On 09/09/05, Paul Johnson baloo@ursine.ca wrote:
On Thursday 08 September 2005 06:54 pm, B. Magilavy wrote:
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Every message already has a List-Unsubscribe header...
And this is visible where in the average mail UA?
kmail by pressing v, two or three mouse-strokes in just about everything else graphical, a single keystroke in just about everything else.
The suggestion was to make the method "clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions", not "locatable if you're geeky enough to view the raw headers of an e-mail message".
Just about anybody that has to sift through an abuse@ role address can tell you that just about any idiot is capable of doing this, even if they can't follow a chain of Received headers if their life depended on it and for all they care, mail servers run on magic and sunshine. I would hope anybody considering implementing a collection of scripts downloaded off the Internet and the know-how to pull it off would understand at least as much about email as the average layman.
Isn't the point to avoid people writing to the list in a desperate attempt to get off it? What's wrong with making the instructions to unsubscribe clear? Does it somehow lower the cachet of the list or something?
On 9 Sep 2005 at 18:27, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Friday 09 September 2005 08:08 am, Rowan Collins wrote:
On 09/09/05, Paul Johnson baloo@ursine.ca wrote:
On Thursday 08 September 2005 06:54 pm, B. Magilavy wrote:
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Every message already has a List-Unsubscribe header...
And this is visible where in the average mail UA?
kmail by pressing v, two or three mouse-strokes in just about everything else graphical, a single keystroke in just about everything else.
The suggestion was to make the method "clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions", not "locatable if you're geeky enough to view the raw headers of an e-mail message".
Just about anybody that has to sift through an abuse@ role address can tell you that just about any idiot is capable of doing this, even if they can't follow a chain of Received headers if their life depended on it and for all they care, mail servers run on magic and sunshine. I would hope anybody considering implementing a collection of scripts downloaded off the Internet and the know-how to pull it off would understand at least as much about email as the average layman. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Avalon Internet email: bmagilavy@avalon-internet.com web: http://avalon-internet.com Telephone: +1 415-864-2089
B. Magilavy wrote:
Isn't the point to avoid people writing to the list in a desperate attempt to get off it? What's wrong with making the instructions to unsubscribe clear? Does it somehow lower the cachet of the list or something?
MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
And posting a link to the information at the end of every e-mail isn't enough?
On 9/9/05, B. Magilavy bmagilavy@avalon-internet.com wrote:
Perhaps it would be clearer to people who are not familiar with the conventions of mailing lists if the footer were a bit more explicit: "To unsubscribe, go to " ... "and scroll down to the bottom of the page."
Other lists I have seem are set up to unsubscribe on a return e-mail with that as the subject, which is very nice.
Hi, I really don't want to drag this on too long but I've experienced this user hassle on other mailman lists.
let's say the footer were more explicit and the user did find the http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l page, the issue here is that the usability of that page is far from optimal: there is no specifc heading on the page called 'unsubscribe'...and that's exactly what you're looking for!
It might be too much for a hassled, nervous, impatient user with temporarily (or permanently) impaired concentration, to go through the contents under the heading of 'MediaWiki-l Subscribers' in order to finally read the penultimate line and word 'unsubscribe'. To make things worse it's a choice not a simple statement; it says 'Unsubscribe or edit options'
Finally the essential String 'Unsubscribe' is not translated into Dutch.
Just one single-state, prominent, correctly translated eject button should do the job.
This said, please note that I am bending over backwards to put myself into other people's shoes.
Gustav
On 8 Sep 2005 at 17:55, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thursday 08 September 2005 02:17 pm, Wynandus DeVaal wrote:
I don,t want to receive anymore Emails
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