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Isabell Alcott

8 May 2012 8 May '12

12:42 a.m.

Hello, I would like to include special signs in my new 1.19 Mediawiki installation, but they are showing not right. I have 200 *.doc files which need to be indexed all into one MW Installation. http://s14.directupload.net/images/120508/ooantyz5.jpg So How can realize, that the signs are getting included aswell? Your help is highly appreciated

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Amir E. Aharoni

8 May 8 May

6:13 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Signs in Mediawiki

2012/5/8 Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Hello, I would like to include special signs in my new 1.19 Mediawiki installation, but they are showing not right. I have 200 *.doc files which need to be indexed all into one MW Installation. http://s14.directupload.net/images/120508/ooantyz5.jpg

How are these signs written in the doc files? Are they Unicode characters or are they Latin letters disguised by some "dingbats" font? What happens if you select such a character and change the font to Times New Roman? If it turns to a simple Latin letter, then you have two choices: 1. Convert the characters to the corresponding Unicode characters. 2. Upload them as-is, and put a <span style="font-family: 'DINGBATS FONT NAME'>CHARACTER</span> on each character. If they already are Unicode characters, the problem may be in the way you import the files. What do you use to import them into the wiki?

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Isabell Alcott

9:54 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Signs in Mediawiki

Hello, when i change the font of the document, nothing happens. The signs keep the way they are. I dont use an import tool. I just did copy and paste the documents. Which import tool do you recommend? thank you so much! :) On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

2012/5/8 Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Hello, I would like to include special signs in my new 1.19 Mediawiki installation, but they are showing not right. I have 200 *.doc files

which

need to be indexed all into one MW Installation. http://s14.directupload.net/images/120508/ooantyz5.jpg

How are these signs written in the doc files? Are they Unicode characters or are they Latin letters disguised by some "dingbats" font? What happens if you select such a character and change the font to Times New Roman? If it turns to a simple Latin letter, then you have two choices: 1. Convert the characters to the corresponding Unicode characters. 2. Upload them as-is, and put a <span style="font-family: 'DINGBATS FONT NAME'>CHARACTER</span> on each character. If they already are Unicode characters, the problem may be in the way you import the files. What do you use to import them into the wiki? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Frank Ralf

10 a.m.

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Hi Isabell,

I dont use an import tool. I just did copy and paste the documents. Which import tool do you recommend?

You might find http://wikieducator.org/Wikieducator_tutorial/Editing_using_open_office useful. hth Frank

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Amir E. Aharoni

10:09 a.m.

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Isabel wrote:

I dont use an import tool. I just did copy and paste the documents.

What do you actually see? What do you mean by "showing not right"? Do you see question marks, squares, gibberish, other letters or just nothing?

Which import tool do you recommend?

You might find http://wikieducator.org/Wikieducator_tutorial/Editing_using_open_office useful.

Note that in the latest version of LibreOffice, exporting to MediaWiki doesn't work. The bug is reported to LibreOffice developers and will hopefully be fixed soon, but I can't promise anything. You may try an older version. There are plug-ins for Microsoft Word that allow exporting directly from Microsoft Word to MediaWiki format, although I'm not familiar with them. They probably won't be perfect, but they might work. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:WordToWiki -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Isabell Alcott

10:37 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Signs in Mediawiki

Hello and thank you! But when I change the Wordpress file into a *.txt File, the many signs go away and change to other signs. Your help is highly appreciated. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Frank Ralf <Frank.Ralf(a)gmx.net> wrote:

Hi Isabell,

I dont use an import tool. I just did copy and paste the documents. Which import tool do you recommend?

You might find http://wikieducator.org/Wikieducator_tutorial/Editing_using_open_officeusef…. hth Frank _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Amir E. Aharoni

10:39 a.m.

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2012/5/8 Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Hello and thank you! But when I change the Wordpress file into a *.txt File, the many signs go away and change to other signs.

Which signs? If you can give an example like "the smiley changes to the letter X", it will be easier to solve. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Isabell Alcott

10:46 a.m.

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here is an example: Open Office normal: http://s7.directupload.net/images/120508/ok3l4icb.jpg Open Office with TXT File: http://s14.directupload.net/images/120508/98iddlfw.jpg On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

2012/5/8 Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Hello and thank you! But when I change the Wordpress file into a *.txt File, the many signs go away and change to other signs.

Which signs? If you can give an example like "the smiley changes to the letter X", it will be easier to solve. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Amir E. Aharoni

10:56 a.m.

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2012/5/8 Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>om>:

here is an example: Open Office normal: http://s7.directupload.net/images/120508/ok3l4icb.jpg Open Office with TXT File: http://s14.directupload.net/images/120508/98iddlfw.jpg

Hmm, it looks like the characters are corrupted by Word or OpenOffice before they reach MediaWiki, so there isn't much that we can do here. You can try to copy it directly from Word to MediaWiki (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V), but that will probably have formatting issues, too. Importing from other document formats to MediaWiki is not fully supported, at least now. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Nikola Smolenski

11:47 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Signs in Mediawiki

On 08/05/12 12:46, Isabell Alcott wrote:

here is an example: Open Office normal: http://s7.directupload.net/images/120508/ok3l4icb.jpg Open Office with TXT File: http://s14.directupload.net/images/120508/98iddlfw.jpg

You are using a font with non-standard characters. If you really need the little signs, the only solution is to upload each of them with an image, upload them to your wiki, then replace them with inline images in the text.

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Isabell Alcott

3:21 p.m.

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well, mediawiki does not even add the simpliest arrows or signs when i delete any kind of formatting or fonts. here a result when i use a TXT Version of my text. http://s1.directupload.net/images/120508/pttzm4ph.jpg On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs> wrote:

On 08/05/12 12:46, Isabell Alcott wrote:

here is an example: Open Office normal: http://s7.directupload.net/** images/120508/ok3l4icb.jpg<http://s7.directupload.net/images/120508/ok3l… Open Office with TXT File: http://s14.directupload.net/**images/120508/98iddlfw.jpg<http://s14.dire…

You are using a font with non-standard characters. If you really need the little signs, the only solution is to upload each of them with an image, upload them to your wiki, then replace them with inline images in the text. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Amir E. Aharoni

3:32 p.m.

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2012/5/8 Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>om>:

well, mediawiki does not even add the simpliest arrows or signs when i delete any kind of formatting or fonts. here a result when i use a TXT Version of my text. http://s1.directupload.net/images/120508/pttzm4ph.jpg

They are simple only according to Microsoft Word. It uses a proprietary format and it's hard hard to import information from it. MediaWiki uses Unicode, which is an open standard. "F081" is a private use character according to Unicode. This basically means that it has no standard usage. Microsoft uses them sometimes for various things which are hard to decipher, because the format is secret, so MediaWiki can't do much with it. Word is a popular and important format, of course, and I wish that there was a good import filter, but currently there isn't. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Isabell Alcott

10:40 a.m.

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sorr,y I mean, when i change the *.doc file into a *.txt file, all the special signs go away. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Isabell Alcott <uv22ealcott(a)googlemail.com>wrote;wrote:

Hello and thank you! But when I change the Wordpress file into a *.txt File, the many signs go away and change to other signs. Your help is highly appreciated. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Frank Ralf <Frank.Ralf(a)gmx.net> wrote:

Hi Isabell,

I dont use an import tool. I just did copy and paste the documents. Which import tool do you recommend?

You might find http://wikieducator.org/Wikieducator_tutorial/Editing_using_open_officeusef…. hth Frank _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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