Well, sortof. When you click a red link, it takes you to the edit page of the chosen article. At this point, the decision to show you the edit form (as opposed to the "this page is empty" message) has already been made. If you do a view-source of the link URL, you'll see that "action=edit" is already in there. You _can_ hook into MediaWiki at the "show edit page" event and do some cool things with it, but there's no good way to know the article from which the user came - which would be a prerequisite for modifying said article's links. Technically you could use the browser's provided "referrer", but this is unreliable (proxies) and easily spoofed or disabled. All of that aside - it's still a hard problem because of the nondeterministic nature of wiki rendering and the complications that arise from template transclusion. Even if you know the referrer (as in an Edit Preview), the process of determining where in the wikitext a particular link was generated is daunting. I'm not trying to say that you're idea is a bad one - or flawed in some way. It sounds like useful functionality to have (in some form), it's just that MediaWiki, in its current form, is not amiable to the development of such an extension. -- Jim On 3/7/07, John Moorhouse &lt;john.moorhouse(a)3jays.me.uk&gt; wrote: > > > Interestingly my idea of starting with the [[pretty text]] and having a > way of choosing the page after the user has saved the page would fail if > the pretty text contains any wiki markup [[some pretty '''bold''' text > ]] doesn't get rendered as a link, so this would only work if your > editors came back to add effects afterwards. > > I have noticed that in some situations if you click on a link in the > took box or side navigation in a new wiki that has not yet been created > you get offered > > 'There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page > title > <http://jma-databases.co.uk/index.php/Special:Search/JMA_:Site_support> > in other pages or edit this page > <http://jma-databases.co.uk/index.php?title=JMA_:Site_support&action=edit > >.' > I was wondering if what ever is being used to trigger this response > could be adapted. > > Ta > > John > > Jim Wilson wrote: > > This one sounds (to me) to be a little tougher than the first semi-auto > > links. > > > > The problem is that when a user "clicks a link", he's clicking the > actual > > rendered link, which may not be obvious to detect in the wikitext. > > > > For example, the link could be in a Template instead of the actual > page. Or > > worse, it could be a generated link using magic words. For example: > > [[{{PAGENAME}}/Subpage|subpage pretty text]]. > > > > Another problem is links which contain their own markup. For example, > the > > following is legal wiki syntax: [[Main Page| some pretty '''bold''' > text]]. > > This makes parsing the wikitext for the instance of the clicked link > > harder. Especially when you consider that alternate syntaxes can > produce > > the same rendered html. This is the same as above: [[Main Page| some > pretty > > <b>bold</b> text]]. > > > > Such an extension would need to be able to make these (and many other) > > distinctions. > > > > I think your idea is interesting - but it's one of those problems that's > a > > lot more intricate and difficult to implement than to state. > > > > -- Jim R. Wilson (jimbojw) > > > > On 3/7/07, John Moorhouse &lt;john.moorhouse(a)powys.gov.uk&gt; wrote: > > > >> In a similar vein to my query about semi-automatic linking I was > >> wondering if any one knows of anything that might do the following. > >> > >> As an editor I create a some wiki text that includes a link such as > >> [[the link page|This is the pretty text]]. > >> > >> What I'm wonder if it would be possible to to is for the editor to just > >> type [[This is the pretty text]] and save the page. > >> > >> The page would display the link in red as an unknown link, and what > >> would seem to be good would to offer the editor when they click on the > >> link a choice of > >> 1. Linking to a current page > >> 2. 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Jim Wilson wrote: Maybe creating a redirect on this page is a valid solution ?

Jim Wilson wrote: I'm with you here Jim I think this is most elegant solution, to main idea behind this my query which is to provide a way that editors can select the page title they are linking to rather than having to remember it and type it in (there is an extension that does this for categories when it lists all the categories at the bottom of the page and you can just select one or more from there.) Agree with you that MW is the best of breed, but as some one who is dyslexic I am frequently making spelling mistakes in my links and being able pick them from a list would be great. Ta John

On 3/7/07, Rob Church &lt;robchur(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: That's a good point - and a strong assumption. John, would you want to change the text of _all the links_ that link to a given page, or just one a time? I may have misunderstood the problem statement. On 3/7/07, Platonides &lt;Platonides(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Sorry about that. I'll clarify. There are two major problem segments (that I know of) in implementing a solution to John's request: 1) Determining which page is to receive the edits (assuming you hook the AlternateEdit event or similar) 2) Determining where in the wikitext to make the change. I didn't understand which one of these the Redirection was meant to address. If we go with the assumption that the user wants to update all links everywhere, then a redirection would work for problem #1 - if not, then I'm not so sure. Ah, but that's where the Ajaxy autocomplete textbox comes in :) Just start typing and it suggests what you might want by wildcard querying the title table. -- Jim On 3/7/07, Platonides &lt;Platonides(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > Jim Wilson wrote: > >> Maybe creating a redirect on this page is a valid solution ? > > > > A solution to which part? > > A solution for John Moorhouse, which has the problem. I'm not sure of > having understood the problem. > > > John Moorhouse wrote: > > I'm with you here Jim I think this is most elegant solution, to main > > idea behind this my query which is to provide a way that editors can > > select the page title they are linking to rather than having to remember > > it and type it in (there is an extension that does this for categories > > when it lists all the categories at the bottom of the page and you can > > just select one or more from there.) > mmm... Writing [[ or {{ and having a dropbox with titles appear could be > nice. > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >

On 08/03/07, John Moorhouse &lt;john.moorhouse(a)3jays.me.uk&gt; wrote: Yeah, so it sounds like using the link tables wouldn't do the trick - we'd want to track the referring page. Rob Church