Hello, I created a project Kapuneipu that is a close cousin to mediawiki. In fact it enhances it providing a dynamic solution to problems when some authors clash, which unfortunately more frequently happens. The idea behind this project is to eliminate Dunning-Kruger Effect ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt) by evolutionary principles. See the project's wiki page for more details ( https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/kapuneipu/index.php?title=Main_Page).
Kamhamea
Is the content of this page available in English?
----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Kamhamea" kamhamea@googlemail.com To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:05:27 +0100 Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Kapuneipu - help wanted
Hello, I created a project Kapuneipu that is a close cousin to mediawiki. In fact it enhances it providing a dynamic solution to problems when some authors clash, which unfortunately more frequently happens. The idea behind this project is to eliminate Dunning-Kruger Effect ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt) by evolutionary principles. See the project's wiki page for more details (
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/kapuneipu/index.php?title=Main_Page).
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In the sidebar, under "In anderen Sprachen", you'll find "English" - works for me! ;-)
/Sam
-----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Steve VanSlyck Sent: 08 February 2011 13:05 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Kapuneipu - help wanted
Is the content of this page available in English?
----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Kamhamea" kamhamea@googlemail.com To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:05:27 +0100 Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Kapuneipu - help wanted
Hello, I created a project Kapuneipu that is a close cousin to mediawiki. In
fact
it enhances it providing a dynamic solution to problems when some
authors
clash, which unfortunately more frequently happens. The idea behind
this
project is to eliminate Dunning-Kruger Effect ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt) by evolutionary principles. See the project's wiki page for more details (
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/kapuneipu/index.php?title=Main_Pa ge).
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In the sidebar, under "In anderen Sprachen", you'll find "English" - works for me! ;-)
I will? Which one of these is that under?
* Hauptseite * Über Wikipedia * Themenportale * Von A bis Z * Zufälliger Artikel
Mitmachen
* Hilfe * Autorenportal * Letzte Änderungen * Kontakt * Spenden
Werkzeuge
* Links auf diese Seite * Spezialseiten
Hm. Try: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dunning+Kruger
:-)
On 2011-02-08, at 8:17 AM, Steve VanSlyck wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: Sam.Sexton@thomsonreuters.com
In the sidebar, under "In anderen Sprachen", you'll find "English" - works for me! ;-)
I will? Which one of these is that under?
- Hauptseite
- Über Wikipedia
- Themenportale
- Von A bis Z
- Zufälliger Artikel
Mitmachen
- Hilfe
- Autorenportal
- Letzte Änderungen
- Kontakt
- Spenden
Werkzeuge
- Links auf diese Seite
- Spezialseiten
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Sorry I didn't realise this German sidebar. I'll go forward to translate it. But it is not nesserary at the moment as the descrition only consists of two pages. If I find moe people interested in this projects development, i would be eager to develop more details.
Am 8. Februar 2011 14:17 schrieb Steve VanSlyck s.vanslyck@spamcop.net:
----- Original Message ----- From: Sam.Sexton@thomsonreuters.com
In the sidebar, under "In anderen Sprachen", you'll find "English" -
works for me! ;-)
I will? Which one of these is that under?
- Hauptseite
- Über Wikipedia
- Themenportale
- Von A bis Z
- Zufälliger Artikel
Mitmachen
- Hilfe
- Autorenportal
- Letzte Änderungen
- Kontakt
- Spenden
Werkzeuge
- Links auf diese Seite
- Spezialseiten
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Why don't you use google to translate the website automatically? Problem solved? :)
Op 2011/02/08 03:34 PM, het K. Kamhamea geskryf:
Sorry I didn't realise this German sidebar. I'll go forward to translate it. But it is not nesserary at the moment as the descrition only consists of two pages. If I find moe people interested in this projects development, i would be eager to develop more details.
Am 8. Februar 2011 14:17 schrieb Steve VanSlycks.vanslyck@spamcop.net:
It's just that I was pointed in a different direction.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarel Wessels (Agri Wiki)" swessels@agriwiki.co.za To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:52:47 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Kapuneipu - help wanted
Why don't you use google to translate the website automatically? Problem solved? :)
Op 2011/02/08 03:34 PM, het K. Kamhamea geskryf:
Sorry I didn't realise this German sidebar. I'll go forward to
translate it.
But it is not nesserary at the moment as the descrition only consists
of two
pages. If I find moe people interested in this projects development, i would be eager to develop more details.
Am 8. Februar 2011 14:17 schrieb Steve VanSlycks.vanslyck@spamcop.net:
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It's the section below Werkzeuge, which you didn't include below.
/Sam
-----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Steve VanSlyck Sent: 08 February 2011 13:18 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Kapuneipu - help wanted
----- Original Message ----- From: Sam.Sexton@thomsonreuters.com
In the sidebar, under "In anderen Sprachen", you'll find "English" - works for me! ;-)
I will? Which one of these is that under?
* Hauptseite * Über Wikipedia * Themenportale * Von A bis Z * Zufälliger Artikel
Mitmachen
* Hilfe * Autorenportal * Letzte Änderungen * Kontakt * Spenden
Werkzeuge
* Links auf diese Seite * Spezialseiten
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That section didn't appear on the page. I did copy and paste the entire sidebar. Could upload an image if you think there might be a kracken or other sort of creature in the works somewhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: Sam.Sexton@thomsonreuters.com To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:52:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Kapuneipu - help wanted
It's the section below Werkzeuge, which you didn't include below.
/Sam
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----- Original Message ----- From: Sam.Sexton@thomsonreuters.com
In the sidebar, under "In anderen Sprachen", you'll find "English" - works for me! ;-)
I will? Which one of these is that under?
* Hauptseite * Über Wikipedia * Themenportale * Von A bis Z * Zufälliger ArtikelMitmachen
* Hilfe * Autorenportal * Letzte Änderungen * Kontakt * SpendenWerkzeuge
* Links auf diese Seite * SpezialseitenThis email was sent to you by Thomson Reuters, the global news and information company. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Thomson Reuters.
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It seems to me you are proposing a hierarchical vetting system. This is not a new idea, but many failed attempts show that it is really, really hard in practice to identify experts and it does not get easier by making the process work from majority rules. In fact, the very Dunning-Kruger Effect is against you; group members are more likely to promote those who share their opinions or social codes, not necessarily the most competent. I believe the problem-to-solve is the "algorithm", not the implementation.
Good luck! B.
On 2011-02-08, at 6:05 AM, K. Kamhamea wrote:
The idea behind this project is to eliminate Dunning-Kruger Effect ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt) by evolutionary principles.
Boris, excellent. You got it. I fully agree, but the problem-to-solve, the algorithm, is what is already in my head. I need some help for the implementation. Maybe you can recommend some hierarchical vetting system that can be reused. K.
2011/2/8 Boris Steipe boris.steipe@utoronto.ca
It seems to me you are proposing a hierarchical vetting system. This is not a new idea, but many failed attempts show that it is really, really hard in practice to identify experts and it does not get easier by making the process work from majority rules. In fact, the very Dunning-Kruger Effect is against you; group members are more likely to promote those who share their opinions or social codes, not necessarily the most competent. I believe the problem-to-solve is the "algorithm", not the implementation.
Good luck! B.
On 2011-02-08, at 6:05 AM, K. Kamhamea wrote:
The idea behind this project is to eliminate Dunning-Kruger Effect ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt) by evolutionary principles.
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how do I restrict the length of usernames?
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:57 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
how do I restrict the length of usernames?
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMaxNameChars
Please check the manual before posting to this list.
At the very least you should take a good look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings
Uh thanks for the help.. just getting frustrated because I'm getting hammered with spam and I have tried everything in the manual and little of it is helping.
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com wrote:
From: Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] how do I restrict the length of usernames? To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 12:01 PM On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:57 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
how do I restrict the length of usernames?
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMaxNameChars
Please check the manual before posting to this list.
At the very least you should take a good look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings
-- Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski Wikia Tech Team
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On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
Uh thanks for the help.. just getting frustrated because I'm getting hammered with spam and I have tried everything in the manual and little of it is helping.
Try installing the ConfirmEdit extension. That should help. :)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit
I've tried every flavor of confirmedit and none of them seem block the worse offenders. I tried ReCaptcha but now the bots or the person determined to get around that get through and post their spam anyway. If I could I'd have several of these at once just for account creation.
I'm trying the question based one now and hopefully that won't be too hard for the people I want to actually edit the wiki.
Speaking of questy captcha.. is it possible to have one question and several answers?
$wgCaptchaQuestions[1] = array( 'question' => "Question?", 'answer' => "answer1", 'answer' => "answer2", 'answer' => "answer3" );
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com wrote:
From: Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] how do I restrict the length of usernames? To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 12:43 PM On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
Uh thanks for the help.. just getting frustrated
because I'm getting hammered with spam and I have tried everything in the manual and little of it is helping.
Try installing the ConfirmEdit extension. That should help. :)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit
-- Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski Wikia Tech Team
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On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
I've tried every flavor of confirmedit and none of them seem block the worse offenders. I tried ReCaptcha but now the bots or the person determined to get around that get through and post their spam anyway. If I could I'd have several of these at once just for account creation.
I'm trying the question based one now and hopefully that won't be too hard for the people I want to actually edit the wiki.
Speaking of questy captcha.. is it possible to have one question and several answers?
$wgCaptchaQuestions[1] = array( 'question' => "Question?", 'answer' => "answer1", 'answer' => "answer2", 'answer' => "answer3" );
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com wrote:
From: Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] how do I restrict the length of usernames? To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <
mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 12:43 PM On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
Uh thanks for the help.. just getting frustrated
because I'm getting hammered with spam and I have tried everything in the manual and little of it is helping.
Try installing the ConfirmEdit extension. That should help. :)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit
-- Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski Wikia Tech Team
We suffered many attacks and fortunately had the OpenID login extension,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID
installed and so decided to disable native wiki account creation with this in LocalSettings.php:
# Prevent new user registrations except by sysops $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
Then updated MediaWiki:Loginprompt to
suggest that new users create accounts with an OpenID.
This seems to repel the attacks.
Many users will already have OpenID authentication via their email accounts or other popular web sites.
--Fred
Yeah I've been checking that out.. I'll have to test it.. does Open ID work with facebook?
Thanks Adrian
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Frederick Grose fgrose@gmail.com wrote:
From: Frederick Grose fgrose@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] how do I restrict the length of usernames? To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 2:56 PM On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
I've tried every flavor of confirmedit and none of
them seem block the
worse offenders. I tried ReCaptcha but now the bots or
the person determined
to get around that get through and post their spam
anyway. If I could I'd
have several of these at once just for account
creation.
I'm trying the question based one now and hopefully
that won't be too hard
for the people I want to actually edit the wiki.
Speaking of questy captcha.. is it possible to have
one question and
several answers?
$wgCaptchaQuestions[1] = array( 'question' =>
"Question?", 'answer' =>
"answer1", 'answer' => "answer2", 'answer' =>
"answer3" );
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com
wrote:
From: Łukasz Garczewski tor@wikia-inc.com Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] how do I restrict the
length of usernames?
To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list"
<
mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 12:43 PM On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM, 2007@gmaskfx.com 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
Uh thanks for the help.. just getting
frustrated
because I'm getting hammered with spam and I have
tried
everything in the manual and little of it is
helping.
Try installing the ConfirmEdit extension. That
should help.
:)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit
-- Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski Wikia Tech Team
We suffered many attacks and fortunately had the OpenID login extension,
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID
installed and so decided to disable native wiki account creation with this in LocalSettings.php:
# Prevent new user registrations except by sysops $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
Then updated MediaWiki:Loginprompt to
suggest that new users create accounts with an OpenID.
This seems to repel the attacks.
Many users will already have OpenID authentication via their email accounts or other popular web sites.
--Fred _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
I've tried every flavor of confirmedit and none of them seem block the worse offenders. I tried ReCaptcha but now the bots or the person determined to get around that get through and post their spam anyway. If I could I'd have several of these at once just for account creation.
I'm trying the question based one now and hopefully that won't be too hard for the people I want to actually edit the wiki.
Speaking of questy captcha.. is it possible to have one question and several answers?
$wgCaptchaQuestions[1] = array( 'question' => "Question?", 'answer' => "answer1", 'answer' => "answer2", 'answer' => "answer3" );
I just implemented it for you. Syntax is: $wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' => "Question?", 'answer' => array( "answer1", "answer2", "answer3" ) );
You will need to download the trunk version of ConfirmEdit, revision 81795 or later.
Excellent!! thanks
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
From: Platonides Platonides@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] how do I restrict the length of usernames? To: mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 5:43 PM 2007@gmaskfx.com wrote:
I've tried every flavor of confirmedit and none of
them seem block the worse offenders. I tried ReCaptcha but now the bots or the person determined to get around that get through and post their spam anyway. If I could I'd have several of these at once just for account creation.
I'm trying the question based one now and hopefully
that won't be too hard for the people I want to actually edit the wiki.
Speaking of questy captcha.. is it possible to have
one question and several answers?
$wgCaptchaQuestions[1] = array( 'question' =>
"Question?", 'answer' => "answer1", 'answer' => "answer2", 'answer' => "answer3" );
I just implemented it for you. Syntax is: $wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' => "Question?", 'answer' => array( "answer1", "answer2", "answer3" ) );
You will need to download the trunk version of ConfirmEdit, revision 81795 or later.
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How can I prevent the creation of userpages?
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